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    Quote Originally Posted by Macs. View Post
    Until their customers suddenly demand better mileage because of rising costs and they are caught with their pants down.
    They probably have stuff collecting dust they could roll out in a relatively short time if there was a demand.

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    I have been researching swapping out my V6 in my Ranger and throwing in a VW diesel 4 banger for fuel effeciancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    They probably have stuff collecting dust they could roll out in a relatively short time if there was a demand.
    I am afraid it's not that easy.

    Development of engines is something that goes very slow and steadily, and if you cut funding and put something on hold at one time point it's not so easy to just jump start that project after a few years/decades. Alot of manufactures have that problem.

    And ontop of that it's very expensive, and the development costs are not something you can just put ontop of your finalized product and can instantly get that money back from the customer.

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    I guess decent performance is dead.


    **** this piece of ****

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    The future is now .... (well the past was the future as well)


    from my 2004 Prius

    The real savings would be to go back to the last engineer we had for a president, 55mph, it's not an arbitrary idea, it is an understanding of how God works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roebuck View Post
    I guess decent performance is dead.


    **** this piece of ****
    Far from it.

    In Germany for example the average horsepower rating for new cars has been very steadily going up in recent years.

    The current BMW M5 with a "downsized" Bi-Turbo V8 (from a V10 in the previous model) for example gets around 30 MPG on the European standard test. I think that's pretty outstanding for 560hp in a big and pretty heavy car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macs. View Post
    Far from it.

    In Germany for example the average horsepower rating for new cars has been very steadily going up in recent years.

    The current BMW M5 with a "downsized" Bi-Turbo V8 (from a V10 in the previous model) for example gets around 30 MPG on the European standard test. I think that's pretty outstanding for 560hp in a big and pretty heavy car.
    That's fantastic, but can they keep 560HP at 55MPG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macs. View Post
    How did they fight it ?

    With low gas prices in the US ?

    The main factor for some US manufactures simply sleeping through this development is because their customer base is/was used to low gas prices and simply didn't demand better mileage. It's really a flat and simple story.

    The "save nature" factor really doesn't greatly come into play, at the end of the day the majority of people are more worried about their wallet than nature.

    And so it happens that some companies decide that instead of putting billions into research they rather make that money they save into profit... Until their customers suddenly demand better mileage because of rising costs and they are caught with their pants down.
    Lobbyists you nazi.

    A few years back a guy designed an engine that put out like 400hp and got something amazing like 50mpg. He was sued by every major auto manufacturer for patent infringements, and the major oil companies went after him too.

    Eventually, he just said screw it and started production runs. Think he is still in business in ohio or something but he has been pretty quiet since the suits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roebuck View Post
    That's fantastic, but can they keep 560HP at 55MPG?
    I don't understand ?

    It's a EU norm test that is a mix between city and highway driving, but ofcourse your real day to day consumption will go up when you demand a bit more from the engine and your standard driver with such a car surely will not drive a performance car to only stroke the gas softly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albatross View Post
    Lobbyists you nazi.

    A few years back a guy designed an engine that put out like 400hp and got something amazing like 50mpg. He was sued by every major auto manufacturer for patent infringements, and the major oil companies went after him too.

    Eventually, he just said screw it and started production runs. Think he is still in business in ohio or something but he has been pretty quiet since the suits.
    You have to remember one thing about the auto industry, and especially about small manufactures and tuners: The industry is full of ****.

    It starts with new companies and concept drawings appearing every week with a new concept car that runs on wood and drives 300 mph while the people behind it never did anything more than writing down their idea and maybe create a ****ty render of their dream.

    After a quick google search I can safely tell you that this ohio man is full of ****.

    Oh, and conspiracy theories are also part of it. Like documentaries like "who killed the electric car ?" or some guy in india claiming he build a engine that runs on water while have Ferrari like performance.

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    Much as I like my hotrods; from an economic and national security perspective, this is a nobrainer. I honestly don't understand the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subotai View Post
    Much as I like my hotrods; from an economic and national security perspective, this is a nobrainer. I honestly don't understand the opposition.
    Some of us simply don't want to drive econoboxes prius **** toy containers and pickup trucks that can't pull a trailer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roebuck View Post
    I guess decent performance is dead.


    **** this piece of ****
    That's what everyone said the last tie this happened. And for a short time they were right. It killed the muscle car era. But now we have cars that outperform their predessecors. Technology will catch up.

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    On another semi related note. I have a friend who is an engineer for a large motor company who claims their truck engines could be making 6-700 HP and close to 30 MPG in a truck were it not for the emissions standards. Its interesting to think where we would be if our only focus was performance and efficiency.

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    I have to use My Pathfinder everyday. I'm always hauling parts, groceries, tools, generators, etc. and in Winter the county and town do not plow the road I live on so 4WD is a Must unless you want to sit in your house for a week or so and wait for the snow to melt..


    Add to that the Camp I go to every other month is on the side of a Mountain and you need 4WD to get to it. the slope road is about 35 deg and a prius is just a bigwheel on such roads.


    a Volt or Prius aint gonna cut it as it stands right now unless your a Hipster tooling around brooklyn. Invent an affordable 4WD of similar power, endurance, reliability and you might find buyers

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