I can't carry my arsonal on trains or planes so I am forced to drive.
Peugeot 3008 HYbrid4, but alas, only in Europe.Originally Posted by Andrew Chalmers
I think in order to make hydrogen financially viable like regular gasoline, we need a massive effort, similar to those that went into building the National Highway System, in upgrading/building a national infrastructure for hydrogen. There are already several practical examples of hydrogen cars, Honda Clarity, BMW Hydrogen 7 (which supposedly can switch between regular petrol and hydrogen), Mercedes B-class F-Cell, GM Chevrolet Equinox, etc. We just can't conveniently refuel them like regular cars.
Unlike the U.S., isn't diesel much more subsidized in Europe? I wouldn't mind shifting some of the gasoline subsidies here in the States toward diesel.Originally Posted by Andrew Chalmers
That is why I love states like California - they're big enough to artificially create stupid demand and infrastructure to support electric cars - but not so big that their experiments don't go full retard on the rest of us. I'll let Californians pay for development of the electric car and hydrogen car - then reap the rewards
Yep - subsidized in the sense that historically in all EU countries, except for the UK, diesel is taxed at a preferential rate. So much so that European refineries historically refined so much diesel that gasoline was surplus and sold at virtually no profit to non-EU members.Unlike the U.S., isn't diesel much more subsidized in Europe? I wouldn't mind shifting some of the gasoline subsidies here in the States toward diesel.
But long-term, the EU is moving towards taxing based on CO2 emission & energy content.
Hydrogen is a horrible choice in energy carrier, so much so its basically a fraud.
We have a little car (Prius) but also a Dodge Caravan for camping, or just fitting the whole family in one vehicle. The main savings is in how we live, not in what we drive. The cars last a lot longer when you drive them once a week or so.
As far as full electric, there are now charging stations in many of the parking garages, and at all the interstate "oaises". I still miss my old GrandPrix, engines without computers are just more elegant.
The proposed standards are EXCEEDED by an 8yr old foreign car. I almost wept when Ford was showing off it's new hybrid at OshKosh, 38Mpg ! I gave them loud **** for not being able to meet or exceed what the Japanese did many years ago.
I still long for my '70 and '71 Galaxy 500s
well, even if the set goal isn't attained, its a challenge for progress in the right direction
i think its more of a challenge to see if any US auto makers can achieve
i compared the chevy cruze eco vs camry hybrid, and volt vs prius
(not exactly apples and oranges, but whatev)
toyota won naturally, but every generation seems to try to improve fuel economy, so its a right step
Honda Prefers Hydrogen as U.S. Pushes Battery Autos (Update2)
I don't know all the gritty-nitty science behind it all, but those seem to be pragmatic numbers.Hydrogen, made mainly for industrial use from natural gas, costs about $5 to $10 per kilogram for vehicles in California, more than double an equivalent amount of gasoline. Fuel-cell cars also have at least double the efficiency of gasoline models, with Clarity averaging 60 miles per kilogram.
The Energy Department estimates future prices for hydrogen will fall to $2 to $3 a kilogram, Toyota said on Aug. 6.
The fuel can also be made from solar and wind power and even human waste.
The fact is that electric vehicles are not a solution for a world wide supply of cars.
It's simply is the wrong choice, but right now the only "ready" part-time-solution that works out of the box without any great innovation and that makes a few customers happy.
Mercedes is also throwing alot of money at hydrogen, and having driven in the prototype I think this could be one of the more serious solutions out there and not just a marketing gag like alot of hybrids these days.