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    Quote Originally Posted by armored_diplomacy View Post
    Almost 70 years and there are still remaining ordnance from WWII ...
    There's alot of UXBs still knocking about. It's routine for bomb disposal teams across Europe to have to deal with these, in addition to minehunters destroying unexploded mines at sea. Many are deemed not to be a threat, and left where they are (no doubt to be dealt with in the coming years and decades).

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    thinking about, how many times i walked past that site and had soooo much beer in the schwabinger 7, its kinda weird knowing now that there was a huge f***ing bomb just a little below my feet

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyslapper View Post
    There's alot of UXBs still knocking about. It's routine for bomb disposal teams across Europe to have to deal with these, in addition to minehunters destroyeing unexploded mines at sea. Many are deemed not to be a threat, and left where they are (no doubt to be dealt with in the coming years and decades).
    As an addition to your post, there are people who suffered severe burning wounds from picking up white phosphorus pieces on the shores of the Baltic Sea, believing it was amber. That stuff got out of old firebombs from WWII that were dumped into the sea after the war and got washed up onto the shores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyslapper View Post
    There's alot of UXBs still knocking about. It's routine for bomb disposal teams across Europe to have to deal with these, in addition to minehunters destroying unexploded mines at sea. Many are deemed not to be a threat, and left where they are (no doubt to be dealt with in the coming years and decades).
    Quote Originally Posted by Quietscheentchen View Post
    As an addition to your post, there are people who suffered severe burning wounds from picking up white phosphorus pieces on the shores of the Baltic Sea, believing it was amber. That stuff got out of old firebombs from WWII that were dumped into the sea after the war and got washed up onto the shores.
    Impressive.
    A live reminder of the magnitude of that war

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    Quote Originally Posted by armored_diplomacy View Post
    Impressive.
    A live reminder of the magnitude of that war
    I don't know about other European nations but in Germany an average of one person per year has been killed by unexploded ordnance since 2000.
    2010 was a particularly grim year, three people died there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quietscheentchen View Post
    As an addition to your post, there are people who suffered severe burning wounds from picking up white phosphorus pieces on the shores of the Baltic Sea, believing it was amber. That stuff got out of old firebombs from WWII that were dumped into the sea after the war and got washed up onto the shores.
    I thought that was mustard gas? Some form of thickener was used and gives it an amber like appearance.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_mustard#Disposal

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    Thanks for the links guys. The threat to all that beer in Munich was frightening!

    Actually: "good job" to the bomb disposal crew, and all the other safety personnel involved.

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    Hm, i don't know about mustard gas; in the cases i read about, always wp was mentioned. Stuff dries in the pockets of the people who picked it up, gets into contact with the air - woosh. But i would not be surprised if mustard gas also was / is responsible for accidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armored_diplomacy View Post
    Almost 70 years and there are still remaining ordnance from WWII ...

    Kudos for the guys who deal with them
    Well they still find unexploded arty shells from the US civil war 1861 - 65, and on occasion someone gets blown up and killed...usually a metal detector guy, or a guy who defuses them privately for metal detector guys (typically in the south east USA) one happend a few years ago, believe it was in Georgia. That is around 150 yrs old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quietscheentchen View Post
    Hm, i don't know about mustard gas; in the cases i read about, always wp was mentioned. Stuff dries in the pockets of the people who picked it up, gets into contact with the air - woosh. But i would not be surprised if mustard gas also was / is responsible for accidents.
    They leak, they are a danger for people who build on mustardgass infested ground, it acts like radon gas, it slowly leaks into peoples basements and causes cancer. gasgrenades need to be treated with extra care, for years there was no equipment available to destroy these old rusted shells but now they are finally cabalr of destroying gasshells once they are dug up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quietscheentchen View Post
    Hm, i don't know about mustard gas; in the cases i read about, always wp was mentioned. Stuff dries in the pockets of the people who picked it up, gets into contact with the air - woosh. But i would not be surprised if mustard gas also was / is responsible for accidents.
    Hmm.. sounds a lot like mustard gas to me. But I could be wrong..

    . One of the more frequently-dumped weapons was the "Sprühbüchse 37" (SprüBü37, Spray Can 37, 1937 being the year of its fielding with the German Army). These weapons contain sulfur mustard mixed with a thickener, which gives it a tar-like viscosity. When the content of the SprüBü37 comes in contact with water, only the sulfur mustard in the outer layers of the lumps of viscous mustard hydrolysizes, leaving behind amber-colored residues that still contain most of the active sulfur mustard. On mechanically breaking these lumps, e.g., with the drag board of a fishing net or by the human hand, the enclosed sulfur mustard is still as active as it had been at the time the weapon was dumped. These lumps, when washed ashore, can be mistaken for amber, which can lead to severe health problems.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustard...ts_.28class.29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quietscheentchen View Post
    Hm, i don't know about mustard gas; in the cases i read about, always wp was mentioned. Stuff dries in the pockets of the people who picked it up, gets into contact with the air - woosh. But i would not be surprised if mustard gas also was / is responsible for accidents.
    White Phos usually Ignites Immediately when in contact with the air


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    why did would you ever detonate the bomb in the middle of the houses??? did it have to do with the chemical fuse that they couldnt move it? In Italy when they find an unexploded bomb they usually move it before blowing it up, even if its in the center of town

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    Quote Originally Posted by secondo View Post
    why did would you ever detonate the bomb in the middle of the houses??? did it have to do with the chemical fuse that they couldnt move it? In Italy when they find an unexploded bomb they usually move it before blowing it up, even if its in the center of town
    A 65+ year old, rusty bomb with an extremely sensitive fuze that could go off at any moment. You wanna volunteer to put on a wheelbarrow and move it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slenke View Post
    Hmm.. sounds a lot like mustard gas to me. But I could be wrong..
    No, it's definitely phosphor. You can find this amber like looking chunks at the shores of the Baltic Sea and the Rhine. I remember a TV docu about this subject and somebody picked a chunk up and put into his trouser pockets. As it got dry it self-ignited and they guys hip was severely burned.

    Here's the photo of a warning sign at a beach on this island of Usedom.



    It reads:

    Dear beach visitors!

    Unfortunately Usedom wasn't spared from the results of WWII. Like in other parts of the Baltic and North Sea ammunition got into the coastal waters during aerial bombings.

    Under certain conditions left over phosphor can get onto the beach even after regular beach clean-ups.

    For you own safety please follow the advice below.

    ATTENTION!

    There is a hazard during amber collection because amber can be mixed up with parts of phosphor which can self-ignite if stuffed in clothes or burnable containers.

    Amber or amber like parts found at the beach should only be stored in metal containers and in no case in the clothing or close to the body.

    In case of doubt you can consult the next beachwatch.

    There is no danger for regular beach activities.

    THE COMMUNITY
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