Iraq,Libya show some good signs.First time rights were applied for ppl in US,it was limited:Originally Posted by G-AWZT
Originally, the Bill of Rights implicitly legally protected only white men,[3] excluding American Indians, people considered to be "black"[3] (now described as African Americans), and women.[4][5][6] These exclusions were not explicit in the Bill of Right's text, but were well understood and applied.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...Bill_of_Rights
One can only hope there will be a ray of hope somewhere in the Muslim middle east as they will need it before the intolerance and zealotry of the Salafists and Takfirists destroy all hope. Perhaps the two countries which hold the entire region in lockstep are SA and Egypt. I simply don't see either going to a free pluralistic state any time soon.
Well,you have victory of secular forces in Libya,you have big turnover on Iraqi elections etc.
Alkaida etc. does not represent all muslims in the end and we don't wait for such ppl to change(we kill fvcktards).Its mess with no easy way out,but too soon to surrender hope for muslim to liberalize.
Right now they concerned for they own right and disregard rights of others,because they do not understand concept of right of other person protect my own.IMO
But this is how it always start.
It is a time issue, how long do we have to wait. Also what can we do? Can we facilitate change? Do we go just get ugly and harm lots of innocent people?
The other aspect, is who are we? Is the world united on improving the ME, or are there special interests involved keeping it a mess?
I think the Cold War is partially responsible for keeping the ME a mess and prolonging the problems.
@DasVivo, I am a skeptical optimist or is it a optimistic skeptic?
It is a time issue, how long do we have to wait. Also what can we do? Can we facilitate change? Do we go just get ugly and harm lots of innocent people?
The other aspect, is who are we? Is the world united on improving the ME, or are there special interests involved keeping it a mess?
I think the Cold War is partially responsible for keeping the ME a mess and prolonging the problems.
@DasVivo, I am a skeptical optimist or is it a optimistic skeptic?
One has to understand how Islam is broken, and who/what is standing in the way of repairing it. Bernard Lewis is a Princeton scholar who is one of the best professors that deals with the subject.
My personal belief is that Islam needs some sort of Reformation as Christianity had experienced in the 16th century. Something drastic is needed because the route it is currently on spells disaster.
Islam needs a Martin Luther?
Any such person would be quickly murdered.
Yes,
Yes,
Very likely.
Any real and lasting change has to come from within.
Martin Luther was charged with heresy and his arrested was ordered by pope Pope Leo X - Had the papal legate been able to hold Luther he would have been burned at the stake as a heretic.
So it really depends on the local situation.
While the OP has some kind of point, that STILL does not absolve him from offering an insight on the real issue. Why can´t the assimilated, integrated, law abiding, hard working Joe muslim catch a break? The fact is that no matter what, the outline syndrome, works both ways. Most here talk about an interchangeable muslim the way some of those freaks talk about an interchangeable Kufar.
And really unless you want more takfirists, you do not want Islam to have a Protestant style reformation...
Well they need to fix/repair/glue/reassemble do something because their current course doesn't look good.
It took almost two millenia for the Christianity to accept that Jews had the right to live. That was never in discussion with Islam. It is all a matter of perspective and conjuncture. Joe muslim has issues with his kin. Those issues are mainly social and economic. Most are top down. We invest on their top. Trivialize their down. Guess what? He is going to vent his powerlessness at the first thing around. Hell you got some blind Pakistani minister calling at his taliban brothers (sic).
But really, if anything we do not need a Martin Luther or Calvin in Mecca. They are already fvcked up beyond the reasonable doubt over there.
The fish stinks from the head down...etc
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