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    Quote Originally Posted by rssmps View Post
    I don't think you know the ICJ process.
    My understanding is that both sides would have to agree to show up.

    Otherwise, why is Japan asking Korea to go to ICJ? Has Japan filed a request?
    Yes the Japan presented three times a request to Korea but they do not accept, but even if the other party does not accept input if given the case so official present evidence sufficient opposite side is required to respond in some way to the court.
    I do not know why not Japan's entry into the case even though Korean Japan unilaterally or did not have enough evidence or they do not want to complicate relations between the two countries.
    If Taiwan in ancient records prove that fishermen fished often near islands or they lived in the past, even if Japan does not want to present to the court, he would be forced to respond to accusations in court.

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    Taiwanese protest against Japanese occupied Diaoyutai Islands, it's for Taiwanese fisher man traditional fishing area in Ilan, Touchen, northeast Taiwan, Sept 30th, 2012





    A Taiwanese woman set a flag on the model of Diaoyutai (Senkaku) island

    Taiwanese people make a doorplate words "Diaoyutai first road in Ilan county, Touchen town, the Dashi village", and other news say the lawmaker are ready to go to Diaoyutai island and set a doorplate in October.

    Taiwanese people protest want Ishihara and Noda do not playing any evil idea for Diaoyutai island, and introspection the war crime in WW II

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinigami View Post
    If Taiwan in ancient records prove that fishermen fished often near islands or they lived in the past, even if Japan does not want to present to the court, he would be forced to respond to accusations in court.
    Japan can respond and argue that it's not under the jurisdiction of ICJ.
    Keep in mind, Japan has so far denied that it's even in dispute. See the link I provided above. Please translate that if you can for us.
    So for Japan to submit to the ICJ, it would have to admit that the island IS in dispute.

    This research paper has a very comprehensive proof of ancient records that you are asking for. It even have Japanese documents.
    http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland....&context=mscas

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuilon2000 View Post

    Rather refreshing to see this instead of the normal petty blue/green flags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rssmps
    So Japan is asking Korea to take their dispute to the ICJ yet refusing Taiwan & China.....bit of a double standard?
    From your sources,

    To return to the question concerning the prospects of presenting the islands dispute to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at the Hague, the following political circumstances confronting the disputants must be first pointed out. First and foremost is the issue concerning the status of the Republic of China on Taiwan in the international community. When the Republic of China was expelled from the United Nations and replaced by the Peoples' Republic of China as the sole legitimate government of China in 1971, it was also expelled from all U.N. related organizations, including the Statue of the International Court of Justice. Without being considered a "State" by the United Nations and being excluded from membership, the ROC cannot have access to the ICJ. Given the well-known and long standing rivalry between the PRC and ROC, and that the former currently occupies one of the five permanent seats in the U.N. Security Council, the prospects of the ROC being readmitted into the U.N. General Assembly or resuming its status as a active signatory to the Statue is dim - which essentially rules out any possibility for the ROC to seek settlement through the ICJ in the foreseeable future. Therefore, bringing the islands dispute before the ICJ is only an option concerning only the PRC and Japan, since both nations are current members of the U.N. and signatories to the Statue of the International Court of Justice.
    ICJ is pragmatically out of the question for Taiwan (did you even read the information you posted?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rssmps View Post
    Rather refreshing to see this instead of the normal petty blue/green flags.
    Yes yes, so nice to see unifying hatred against the evul Japs instead of normal democratic traditions.

    Also, Im willing to bet a lot, or even most here are Blues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rssmps View Post
    Japan can respond and argue that it's not under the jurisdiction of ICJ.
    Keep in mind, Japan has so far denied that it's even in dispute. See the link I provided above. Please translate that if you can for us.
    So for Japan to submit to the ICJ, it would have to admit that the island IS in dispute.

    This research paper has a very comprehensive proof of ancient records that you are asking for. It even have Japanese documents.
    http://digitalcommons.law.umaryland....&context=mscas


    http://www.lk.emb-japan.go.jp/eg/con...tsattached.pdf
    http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL02_1/79_S4.pdf

    These types of articles can be found easily on the internet, so the issue has to be resolved in court.
    If you notice the articles I have posted real evidence with historical documents on the subject.

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    Taiwanese coast guard ship "CG-125 Lian jian (連江)" into the Diaoyutai (Senkaku) islands water area at 9:05(Tokyo time) , Oct 1st, 2012

    http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/ne...OYT1T00558.htm


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    ICG waring: the East China sea become more tense

    http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/public...5B0E4}#results

    Tensions in East China Sea erupted into bilateral crisis between China and Japan over Diaoyu/Senkaku islands following Japanese govt purchase of islands, which China also claims sovereignty over. Beijing retaliated by publishing territorial sea baselines encircling islands, deploying patrol vessels and fishing boats to disputed waters, staging large-scale military exercises, threatening economic punishment.

    Mass anti-Japan protests erupted in dozens of Chinese cities, some turning violent. Tourist agencies across China cancelled trips to Japan; high-level event celebrating 40 years of Japan-China diplomatic ties cancelled. Deputy FMs met in Beijing to discuss tensions, but no sign of end to problems.

    Dozens of fishing boats from Taiwan, which also claims islands, sailed into disputed waters under protection of Taiwanese patrol vessels; Japan Coast Guard vessels repelled them with water cannons.

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    Japan's statement aimed at preserving bilateral ties: scholar
    2012/10/06 19:34:37

    http://focustaiwan.tw/ShowNews/WebNe...D=201210060017

    If Japan accepts to negotiate with Taiwan and ignore China as China will act in this situation?

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    "The East China Sea Peace Initiative" all words and document in public on Taiwanese minister of foreign affairs website, and post on news website in the US, NY times and Washington post, etc.



    http://www.mofa.gov.tw/official/Home...e-a1087a464e5c

    download here

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    Arrow China conducts exercise in East China Sea

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/ch..._131917661.htm

    EAST CHINA SEA, Oct. 19 (Xinhua) -- Civilian maritime authorities and the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy conducted a joint exercise in the East China Sea on Friday.

    A total of 11 vessels, eight aircraft and more than 1,000 personnel from the PLA Navy's Donghai Fleet, China's fishery administration and marine surveillance agency took part in the routine exercise, according to a statement from the fleet.

    The exercise, the largest in recent years, was conducted in a sea area east of the city of Zhoushan in east China's Zhejiang Province.

    The drill included simulations of illegal entry, obstruction, harassment and intentional interference by foreign vessels when Chinese ships of the fishery administration and marine surveillance agency patrolled.

    The exercise was aimed at improving coordination between the navy and administrative patrol vessels, as well as sharpening their response to emergencies in order to safeguard China's territorial sovereignty and maritime interests, the statement said.

    The PLA Navy has conducted several joint exercises with the fishery administration and marine surveillance agency in the past.
    It will be interesting to see if Japan responds with their own naval exercises in the same general area.

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    Arrow Toyota Suspends Part of Its Production at China Plant

    http://english.cri.cn/6826/2012/10/24/2361s728923.htm

    Japanese auto giant Toyota has suspended part of its production at its Tianjin plant due to dampening sales in China, the company announced Wednesday.

    The plant is Toyota's largest in China but assembly lines halted production on Monday. All plant staff are working as usual, said a manager with the Toyota Motor (China) Investment Co., Ltd., a subsidiary of the Toyota Motor Corp.

    A spokesman refused to comment on how many lines were suspended from production, or how long the suspension would last.

    Media reports last week said the company would halt production of the whole plant from Monday to Friday, which was later denied.

    The plant produces vehicles, such as Corolla, Crown, RAV4 and Vios. Annual production of the plant is 500,000, accounting for 60 percent of the company's total production volume in China.

    The move follows a drastic sales volume drop in the country since the Diaoyu Islands territorial dispute broke out between China and Japan.

    "The tense Sino-Japan relations has affected sales of Toyota automobiles in China, and it is a common practice for a company to adjust production volume based on market demand and orders," said the spokesman.

    At a sales outlet of Toyota in Tianjin, customer numbers have decreased by 30 percent. Some have withdrawn or postponed orders.

    Tensions between the two countries have risen since early September, when Japan announced plans to purchase part of the Diaoyu Islands in the East China Sea.

    Beijing has maintained the islands are part of China's inherent territory.

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    There was also a report on twitter last night from Koyoto news tweet account that said the government was canceling funding for farm products promotions and marketing campaigns in China that the Japanese government had been funding to try and help market Japanese produced farm goods in China.

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