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    the US is sending more than 20 F-16 fighter jets to Egypt as part of a $1 billion foreign aid package.
    Foreign aid? More like a jobs package at the expense of imbeciles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IR5 View Post
    The US doesn't make anyone sign agreements on how to use their gear or hardware, beyond secrecy and re-export agreements.

    Believe it or not, life isn't conducted like an internet forum.

    Also Egypt has it's own IFF on their F-16, like everyone else does.
    Sure thing; go ahead and use those weapons any way you want ...

    The Arms Export Control Act of 1976 (Title II of Pub.L. 94-329, 90 Stat. 734, enacted June 30, 1976, codified at 22 U.S.C. ch.39) gives the President of the United States the authority to control the import and export of defense articles and defense services. It requires governments that receive weapons from the United States to use them for legitimate self-defense. Consideration is given as to whether the exports "would contribute to an arms race, aid in the development of weapons of mass destruction, support international terrorism, increase the possibility of outbreak or escalation of conflict, or prejudice the development of bilateral or multilateral arms control or nonproliferation agreements or other arrangements." [1] The Act also places certain restrictions on American arms traders and manufacturers, prohibiting them from the sale of certain sensitive technologies to certain parties and requiring thorough documentation of such trades to trusted parties.


    When the President is aware of the possibility of violations of the AECA, the law requires a report to Congress on the potential violations.

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    When Iran became Islamic, the US did not deliver to her various weapons that were ordered by the Shah. IMO, it would be more prudent if Obama waits with this delivery in order to see how the situation evolves. No harm will occur if to the Egyptian AF gets these F-16s with a delay of 6-12 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    When Iran became Islamic, the US did not deliver to her various weapons that were ordered by the Shah. IMO, it would be more prudent if Obama waits with this delivery in order to see how the situation evolves. No harm will occur if to the Egyptian AF gets these F-16s with a delay of 6-12 months.
    With Iran, it was a little more than just an Islamic government. Iran is a full-blown theocracy, whereas Morsi was democratically elected. Iran also openly declared itself to be an enemy of America, while Egypt maintains the alliance between our nations. The two situations are not really analogous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    When Iran became Islamic, the US did not deliver to her various weapons that were ordered by the Shah.
    We did not withhold weapons from Iran because they became an Islamic state. We did it because they attacked (without cause) sovereign US territory (the embassy), and illegally held US citizens captive. Pretty big difference. But I agree with you on the second bit. We should put these on the Russian S-300 delivery timetable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ought Six View Post
    With Iran, it was a little more than just an Islamic government. Iran is a full-blown theocracy, whereas Morsi was democratically elected. Iran also openly declared itself to be an enemy of America, while Egypt maintains the alliance between our nations. The two situations are not really analogous.
    Quote Originally Posted by kevlar308 View Post
    We did not withhold weapons from Iran because they became an Islamic state. We did it because they attacked (without cause) sovereign US territory (the embassy), and illegally held US citizens captive. Pretty big difference. But I agree with you on the second bit. We should put these on the Russian S-300 delivery timetable.
    I know the two situations are different, that's why I did not say the delivery should be cancelled, but that it could be prudent to delay it few months to see how the situation evolves.

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    I don't see what the big deal is what is another 20 more F16s going to do to tip the balance in that region? Keep in mind Egypt already has 200 F16s and have been flying the US aircraft for many years now it is nothing new.

    S.Arabia is a sharia heavy Islamic state herself too along with the rest of the Gulf nations and we have been doing business with them just fine in Aerospace Defense. I'm just saying money is real talk.

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    Ins't Egypt about to go bankrupt ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    I know the two situations are different, that's why I did not say the delivery should be cancelled, but that it could be prudent to delay it few months to see how the situation evolves.
    Delaying the shipment would would worsen relations with Egypt without any sort of justification. They have not so far displayed any sort of intention of being anti-US, and have so far only displayed a willingness to cooperate with the US on major regional issues. Even delaying it for HR-considerations would be unwise, as it would simultaneously discredit the opposition and decrease Morsi's trust in and willingness to listen to the US.

    I don't get why you think it should be delayed.

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    This may be a stupid question, but can the Egyptians load the French MICA a2a missiles on to their F-16s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watan View Post
    This may be a stupid question, but can the Egyptians load the French MICA a2a missiles on to their F-16s?
    No. And they don't even have MICA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilgor View Post
    Ins't Egypt about to go bankrupt ?
    Guess who's paying a bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watan View Post
    This may be a stupid question, but can the Egyptians load the French MICA a2a missiles on to their F-16s?
    You mean Mirage 2000? No, they have only Sidewinders, Sparrows, Magic 2 and Super 530.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IR5 View Post
    Delaying the shipment would would worsen relations with Egypt without any sort of justification. They have not so far displayed any sort of intention of being anti-US, and have so far only displayed a willingness to cooperate with the US on major regional issues. Even delaying it for HR-considerations would be unwise, as it would simultaneously discredit the opposition and decrease Morsi's trust in and willingness to listen to the US.

    I don't get why you think it should be delayed.
    Delaying the delivery may not be the right thing to do, but there are serious reasons to be concerned.
    Obama said just three moths ago that he can not say that Egypt was still an US ally. I don't have the impression that the events of the past months provided an answer without ambiguity. More time is necessary to observe how Egypt's policies evolve - both its internal and foreign - to have a clearer view of the orientation that the country undertakes under the rule of the MBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    ..... IMO, it would be more prudent if Obama waits with this delivery in order to see how the situation evolves. No harm will occur if to the Egyptian AF gets these F-16s with a delay of 6-12 months.
    We'll see what way the training arrangements come along, are they self sufficient in terms of the older blocks?
    Its fleet of current fighter jets are older versions of the F-16s although they have all been upgraded with most Block 40/42 features
    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    Obama said just three moths ago that he can not say that Egypt was still an US ally.
    And yet still he's taking cash from the taxpayer to send to them? Looks to there is little respect for how the plebs feel, and tbh I think keeping the line open is just a side effect.
    US is giving cash to some seriously dodgy people these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by tea drinker View Post
    We'll see what way the training arrangements come along, are they self sufficient in terms of the older blocks?
    They depend on the US for spare parts.

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