Reply With QuoteProblem is not that they cant afford care near their family, but that their family dont bother to provide it to them and choose to put them in elderly homes.Originally Posted by dr.mucholina
Well issue is that long term ill people can't seek affordable medical/social care near their family. They have to move to other country to find one. Since they loose contact with their family. We are not talking about people who seek "wandering the beaches".
But this is nothing new or revealing by Guardian.
Problem is not that they cant afford care near their family, but that their family dont bother to provide it to them and choose to put them in elderly homes.
This is not about some warm and sunny place, basically elderly people that need permanent care are sent to eastern european countries. Because in germany personell costs are very high and care for old people is extremely time consuming they are brought to countries with lower wages.
Happens in Switzerland too.
There is even a residence for demented people, where Thai hospitality is combined (if wanted) with Swiss food. http://www.alzheimerthailand.com/Alz...land/Index.asp (in German)
It is not just the price, which makes Thailand a great place for (not only) elderly people. The weather is also better and the kindness of the Thais is well known.
Plus even in Switzerland, a large percentage of the people working in homes for elderly people are first or second generation immigrants or workers. Without all the immigration, Switzerland would have to close most of its hospitals and retirement homes.
Additinally, there are many elderly Swiss people living in warmer and cheaper countries for some years after their retirement, where their Swiss pensions allowes them a higher standard of living than back at home. Especially Spain, southern France, Italy. Philippines and Thailand are sought after destinations.
Seriously, TT could you please write something about the article? Maybe even quote a few lines so that one can get the gist of what it is that is so shocking?
Most treads started or most posts within a certain amount of time doesn't matter so please take some time and try to provide some quality posts instead of this crap.
nothing new and nothing shocking about this. people chose to go where they get the best care for their buck. Retirement homes in Germany are understaffed and often not the cheapest option available. And if even seniors with small pensions can afford a comfortable life in Hungary or Spain, why not move there? I mean, the people working in care in Germany are mostly eastern europeans anyway...
Indeed, many people want to move there even before they become elderly.Its quite common to buy house from spain and then go live there when you retire.
At least I would rather spent my last days like that instead of finnish elderly home.
FYI, the Guardian doesn't "care" for German elderly people. They've found another story they can spin into some wild sensationalist stuff for the folks reading them. Just because they once manage to bring an article about German people without mentioning the war or whatever doesn't mean our own media won't "care" for our old people.
Besides, who's exporting these people? No one tried to export my grandma when it was time for her to move to a nursing home. Neither did anyone sneaked into her room and exported her just that. Or bothered to give her relatives (me and my family) a heads-up about these alleged cheaper-but-better options abroad.
Places in nursing homes are rare, that's true. But these homes are not meant for old people who could beat my sorry ass on the 5km marathon. If you don't have a so-called Pflegestufe (requirement of care a person needs, classified by I, II, or III) it's still hard to get a place, but even more tough to pay for the care at this home, as it basically includes everything. Once you got classified by a government worker (or something like that) and get a Pflegestufe, the state will cover some costs. The higher your Pflegestufe, the more costs are covered by the state.
The whole story kind of reminds me of how the Dutch euthanize their elderly when they're looking the wrong way. Cheeky Dutchmen..
I hear one of the most popular forms of euthenasia is the 30 year dehydration plan in the Spanish sun........
The whole story kind of reminds me of how the Dutch euthanize their elderly when they're looking the wrong way. Cheeky Dutchmen..
It's what makes the Paella so deliciously crispy.
lol... Santorum flashbacks incomming...
If you have ever been to Germany, the country isn't just cold, so are the people. Zero personality.
It costs roughly 25.000€ a year to support my grandpa (born 1920) in an elderly home in our town. He is blind now, almost deaf and needs care that no one from my family can give him 24hrs. Not every family can easily raise that sum, and so they look for alternatives.
German media:
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/articl...n-muessen.html
http://www.express.de/politik-wirtsc...,20741728.html
http://www.zdf.de/auslandsjournal/Le...-25043686.html
My grand-mother can't afford her care either with her small rent. All her savings are gone now and now my mother has to pay and it's a lot.
She has been a horrible mother to my mom so it's a bad situation.
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