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    Default 56% of Russians regret the dissolution of the Soviet Union

    Some 56 per cent of Russians still regret the dissolution of the Soviet Union, according to a poll published on the eve of the 90th anniversary of the foundation of the first Socialist state.

    However, this is almost 10 per cent less than a decade ago, a survey by All- Russian Public Opinion Research Center (VCIOM) revealed.

    A third of Russians do not mourn over the collapse of the Soviet Union 21 years ago. That is 6 per cent more than in 2002.

    The majority of respondents who feel nostalgic about the end of the Soviet era are those above 45 years of age, with low education level, non-internet users and residents of capital cities of Russian regions. Youngsters, people with higher education and active web users – on the contrary – prefer life in modern Russia.

    Two thirds of those questioned agreed that Soviet Union furthered the cultural and economic development of peoples that lived on the territory of the country. At the same time, 20 per cent believe that it was the other way round.
    http://rt.com/politics/soviet-collapse-ussr-poll-059/

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    No surprise here. There's lots of Communist nostalgia in many former Eastern Bloc states. Sickening to the core as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    No surprise here. There's lots of Communist nostalgia in many former Eastern Bloc states. Sickening to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    Sickening, but understandable as far as this Anti-Communist is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    No surprise here. There's lots of Communist nostalgia in many former Eastern Bloc states. Sickening to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    A friend of mine recently traveled to that area and told me that.
    I think itīs a big failure from those new states, considering itīs being 20 years since the end of the SU, if such a number of people still long for the communist days rather than sticking to a more promissing present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    No surprise here. There's lots of Communist nostalgia in many former Eastern Bloc states. Sickening to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    Why is it sickening?

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    I would say 20% of Americans regret the dissolution of the SU too....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hisroyalhighness View Post
    Sickening, but understandable as far as this Anti-Communist is concerned.
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    Why is it sickening?
    So... if I as a German told you that I regret the downfall of the Nazi regime it wouldn't strike you as a noteworthy statement? It's sickening because it shows that people to this very day have not truly arrived in democracy yet. Because it shows that people are willing to give (economic) safety precedence above freedom, even if its only a freedom of the paper in Putin's Russia. That is actually a spring of peril.
    I grew up within eyeshot of the Iron Curtain. No, I don't really expect its resurgence anytime soon but suffice it to say I find it disturbing when people speek *****y of that dark past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    No surprise here. There's lots of Communist nostalgia in many former Eastern Bloc states. Sickening to the core as far as I'm concerned.
    Depends. I haven't heard much of it from my Polish family and friends etc.

    I would wager that old retirees might be the ones reminiscent about the communist times.

    Young people? Haha not so much.

    In Russia's case it might be simply a nostalgia about being a super power etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyUS View Post
    In Russia's case it might be simply a nostalgia about being a super power etc.
    I think it was having bread on the table, whiskey in the stomach, and pensions in the mail.

    (Not counting Brezhnev era stagnation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hisroyalhighness View Post
    I think it was having bread on the table, whiskey in the stomach, and pensions in the mail.
    That too. the nostalgia about being a super power seems more common amongst young nationalistic people.

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    It is hard to move away from a caretaker society to one of individual responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muck View Post
    Que?
    So... if I as a German told you that I regret the downfall of the Nazi regime it wouldn't strike you as a noteworthy statement? It's sickening because it shows that people to this very day have not truly arrived in democracy yet. Because it shows that people are willing to give (economic) safety precedence above freedom, even if its only a freedom of the paper in Putin's Russia. That is actually a spring of peril.
    I grew up within eyeshot of the Iron Curtain. No, I don't really expect its resurgence anytime soon but suffice it to say I find it disturbing when people speek *****y of that dark past.
    Not entirely comparable, Germans Today enjoy standards of living that are quite high compared to Nazi Germany no?
    As for giving economic priority over Freedom well.. Without either Economic Stability/Security and Literal Security ala 90s you have no freedom (or indeed the opposite, very worst sort of freedom all the dangers and no controls)

    Nostalgia for the old Days should not make one accept or forget all of its faults, flaws and mistakes by any means and I think anyone who really wishes it back needs to confront those facts. BUT the road to democracy is a long one unless the hand that guides them is very careful and the institutions to implement it are strong 'freedom' is just a word and it takes Time and reforms to bring about changes aswell as people desiring it*. But to say People gave up freedom for this prosperity I think is not at all accurate, look at all the instability, the lack of purchasing power (and thus limited mobility freedom or indeed opportunity to invest in real education "freedom of the mind"), the fixed elections of Eltsins era....

    What is being regretted is the breakdown in social cohesion, the loss of pride and the traumas that fell upon a nation and her people. Thinking to all the wars across the ex-USSR I think its end as it was is quite tragic on a human level too, the only saving grace being who knows how much more violent it could of been...

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    *People I think tend to expect more and indeed push for better standards once their most basic needs are taken care of (Food, Drink, Shelter and Money), indeed I would argue much all the political 'awakening' some would call it (as small as it is) is largely the result of such improvements in recent years, allowing more People to actually take an interest

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    Old people nostalgic about their youth, and young people not quite sure what to do with themselves so they look to the past for comfort, its very understandable. I highly doubt that this 56% figure equates to half of the Russian population being hardcore communist. In my opinion survival of USSR would have been preferable, same way as survival of the Empire would have been preferable (all these break ups and dissolutions cause damage and set the country's progress back) but now that its gone, its gone, we exist only in the present and can affect only the future, so that should be the focus.

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    In times of hardship, people like to remember and glorify positive things from the past, it's just the way we humans function.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hisroyalhighness View Post
    I think it was having bread on the table, whiskey in the stomach, and pensions in the mail.

    (Not counting Brezhnev era stagnation)
    I believe your post comes the closest, by far, to the 56% of people experiencing "nostalgia" and "regret" about the demise of the Soviet Union.

    For all of the horrible things that can be written endlessly about the SU, at least the vast majority of the people had the majority of their basic needs covered and a job to feel a sense of purpose in life and a way to make a small contribution to society.

    The end of the SU was the equivalent of a large group of people perpetually drunk(and sick) on radiator coolant suddenly all having to go cold turkey....for a couple of decades.

    Now a select few are drinking Crystal champaign and acting like oligarchs in an overt and brazen way only Russians can, more are drinking decent beer.....and the rest are left without even radiator coolant.

    I think the questions to ask would be:

    What % of Russian PERCEIVE they are better off today than 20 and 25 years ago?

    What % of Russians PERCEIVE they are worse off today than 20 and 25 years ago?

    What % of Russians PERCEIVE they are better or worse off today than 20 and 25 years ago, but their opinions don't count because they were too young then, too brain damaged from drinking radiator coolant, or are now dead because Russia's life expectancy went in the toilet post fall of the SU because they all drink radiator coolant and smoke Chernobyl brand cigarettes?


    http://www.google.co.nz/publicdata/e...l=en&ind=false

    Think about it.

    Russia's life expectancy is today STILL below the peak in 1988...and it fell a full 5 years in just over 5 years.

    I am NO fan of communism/socialism.......but the fall of the SU led to a collapse in the quality of life and standard of living of the average Russian.

    And while free market-ISH based economic policy has led to an improvement of average Russian quality of life and standard of living......the rise of the Russian oligarchy and hybrid criminal/government mafia could play a significant factor in both perception and reality.

    Maybe people support the return of an extremely harsh totalitarian state in the way some support the return of the taliban......extremely harsh justice.......in the form of a "game" that provides more consistent(but harsher) rules for all(or maybe fewer exceptions).

    Maybe it's like a game of Monopoly.

    SU edition, where the state owns all the property and you just have to follow the rules to avoid jail....other than that everyone is an equal "winner" except the state...and all players die of lung cancer and cirrhosis of the liver after 5 laps around the board.

    Post-SU edition, where a few oligarchs own everything, everything is expensive and the rules keep changing, every lap around the board you spin a dial with 3 choices:

    1) You die of cirrhosis of the liver..on the street because the Soviet medical system collapsed
    2) You die of lung cancer ...on the street because the Soviet medical system collapsed
    3) You die from a sniper bullet fired by ex-Spetsnaz now Russian mafia hitman...on the street because the Soviet medical system collapsed.

    Maybe it's not really about a desire to return to failed economic equality but a return to a perceived sense of greater equity.

    That's the way I see it.

    No offense to our Russian forum members, I'm sure the amount of radiator coollant consumed by alcoholic Russians is slightly exaggerated.

    Russia Strong!#!%!

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