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    Quote Originally Posted by RSone View Post
    The base issue here is not even wether or not some of the research carried out with public funds should be classified (let's be honest here, the stuff that should be, is) but that online databases turn a profit on the taxpayers' money and without much in the way of compensation or acknowledgement to the academians who wrote the material. If this legislation mandates its free dissemination after a 'short' period, then that is a good thing.
    Not that I approve of it but it's not a new thing. Ever tried to get your hands on government specs? They use to be free. Now the SAE owns a lot of them and you have to buy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    @C. Puff are you playing the devil advocate or do you have 0 clue about what we are talking about ?
    Little of both I'll admit. For example there are a lot of documents that are disseminated for internal consumption, sometimes widely, that you wouldn't want just anybody having. I made the mistake of lumping those in with released-to-the-public information which is why I went "WTF?" If it's stuff that's ALREADY public knowledge but simply hiding behind a paywall I don't have a problem with it being released for free. You'll still run into pay issues though. For example it may be an older document that needs to be scanned from microfilm or what not and you have to pay the fee for that.

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    If it's stuff that's ALREADY public knowledge but simply hiding behind a paywall I don't have a problem with it being released for free.
    That's basically the proposal here as they are talking about peer reviewed articles
    Let's be frank : the concurrence (and so the "paranoia about being out-published) is so strong in science that it would be dumb for any research team to release informations before publishing it
    And once it is published it goes "public" (well obviously with the pay per view or pay wall the public is restricted to research centers, libraries and universities i.e other scientists)
    Making it trully public to average joe will not hurt AND it may help small schools/research centers to have access to advanced research articles without wasting a penny
    Because with the system as it is nowadays, it has become very expensive to reach some sources while in the meantime, institutions credits are vanishing

    Frankly i'd rather pay for some materiel for my experiments rather than have to pay to access a full article
    To put the things in perspective : a paywall access fee of 50 $ for a single aticle is worth 50 reactions of PCR genotyping, 5x 1000 kb sequencing, hundred of reaction tubes, several liters of culture medium etc etc
    When you know that you need between 25 and 50 references to writte an article, you can see that the money intended to carry on your research can dry very quickly just to writte a single publication

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