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    Default Eleanor Roosevelt and the Soviet Sniper

    Lyudmila Pavlichenko arrived in Washington, D.C., in late 1942 as little more than a curiosity to the press, standing awkwardly beside her translator in her Soviet Army uniform. She spoke no English, but her mission was obvious. As a battle-tested and highly decorated lieutenant in the Red Army’s 25th Rifle Division, Pavlichenko had come on behalf of the Soviet High Command to drum up American support for a “second front” in Europe. Joseph Stalin desperately wanted the Western Allies to invade the continent, forcing the Germans to divide their forces and relieve some of the pressure on Soviet troops.

    She visited with President Franklin Roosevelt, becoming the first Soviet citizen to be welcomed at the White House. Afterward, Eleanor Roosevelt asked the Ukranian-born officer to accompany her on a tour of the country and tell Americans of her experiences as a woman in combat. Pavlichenko was only 25, but she had been wounded four times in battle. She also happened to be the most successful and feared female sniper in history, with 309 confirmed kills to her credit—the majority German soldiers. She readily accepted the first lady’s offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB View Post
    She also happened to be the most successful and feared female sniper in history, with 309 confirmed kills to her credit—the majority German soldiers.
    Just wondering... who else did she have to kill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Just wondering... who else did she have to kill?
    eastern front = bunch of Axis troops (Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, Spanish, Croatians, Baltic states, Ukrainian cossacks, etc etc ........ )

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    Confirmed kills? Confirmed by whom?

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    So Ludmlila pulled Elonor into the bedroom and the two wispered their memories from her visit before. So did Ludmila speak english or Elenor Russian, was Elenors translator with them, or did they speak another language altogether?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0sco View Post
    Confirmed kills? Confirmed by whom?
    I imagine by everyone except the guy who was shot :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0sco View Post
    Confirmed kills? Confirmed by whom?
    Soviets are OP, you have to deal with it.

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    [*******#333333]So Ludmlila pulled Elonor into the bedroom and the two wispered their memories from her visit before. So did Ludmila speak english or Elenor Russian, was Elenors translator with them, or did they speak another language altogether?[/COLOR]
    It could be worst. For a moment there I thought they were going to turn this into another Elenor ******* love story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0sco View Post
    Confirmed kills? Confirmed by whom?
    If I remember correctly, Czech female sniper from ww2 said, that confirmed kill is the one not achieved in defence against attack. That mean they had much more kills than confirmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b0sco View Post
    Confirmed kills? Confirmed by whom?
    That's interesting question indeed. In Soviet Army snipers were not free-hunters.
    They were organized and took task orders from infantry company commanders or from battalion commander, whom they been attached.
    When they reported a kill it should be confirmed by officer(plus sometimes by politruk of unit) who give the task and by observer, then he sends such report uphill to commander of sniper company and which fill some 'plan of support' paper for this infantry unit, when such plan is fulfilled - sniper will be transfered to other hot-placed unit which needs more support. So, for platoon or company commanders it was unprofitable to confirm the task performance, they tried to keep snipers in unit. Same ***** was for the air force fighters, regiment commanders tried to keep good pilots from transferring or got promoted to elite units by not confirming or counting their kills like 'group kill'. Real life situations 'what is good for a unit is bad for the best unit's soldiers".
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    Thank you for the explanation Pitchup, didn't know they were 'handled' that way.

    My comment was more of a jab in the direction of those people who always doubt any German aces, be it pilots, tankers or else.

    But it brought out some interesting facts!

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    I'm impressed by her maturity and that she understood what was important unlike the morons who were in the media who asked her stupid questions and made rude remarks. Think you can find many 25 year old women these days who have it together like she did at that stage in her life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordoror View Post
    eastern front = bunch of Axis troops (Italians, Hungarians, Romanians, Spanish, Croatians, Baltic states, Ukrainian cossacks, etc etc ........ )
    i was crying...

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    KB,
    interesting bit of history I had not heard of. I bet that the Soviet woman sniper was shocked to see how homely old Eleanor R. was, and more shocked to find out she and the Pres were not sleeping together and that Eleanor had tendencies to bed up with other women. The Roosevelts were a strange pair for sure.
    Props to the lady Soviet sniper for her expertise in combat. Tough job and she did it well.

    History..you can't make this stuff up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Just wondering... who else did she have to kill?
    There were also Romanian troops in that part of the battlefield.

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