this. in russian. a bit more about borders.
This is news to me, aren't there memorials in Russia regarding this war? If not, I see it as a good thing. Around here there are memorials like following for battle of Suomussalmi which has rock representing soldiers and civilians from both sides that died in battle.Russian President Vladimir Putin has voiced support for building memorials to honor Red Army soldiers who died in a 1939-1940 war with Finland.
Putin said Thursday at a meeting with military historians that Soviet dictator Josef Stalin launched the war to "correct mistakes" made in drawing the border with Finland after the 1917 Bolshevik revolution.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03...#ixzz2NbH2ICZz
As for the correcting mistakes part, seems to me everyone was out to "correcting mistakes" around that point in time. I do disagree a bit on his conclusion on what caused the defeat of Finland in the war. Finnish tabloids write that he said it was the regrouping of Red Army, while I personally think it had more to do with the situation in Finnish army, lack of supplies and reinforcements. He is not totally wrong though. If you have Russian source with a bit more on what he said, I would be glad to read it. Finnish tabloids seem to want to make this comment to mean more than what it probably does.
But still, Putin paints a simplistic picture and I reckon Stalin's reasons for launching the war went beyond a desire to expand the Soviet-Finnish borders to more than 17-20km from Leningrad.
BTW from merk666s source:
Putin ordered them to consider the issue, including together with the Ministry of Culture. The president emphasized that this work should be done in a such a way, so as to promote the strengthening of relations with Finland; not confrontation with her.
"We must do everything to ensure that our common, including bloody history would serve as an example in order to ensure that nothing like this will be repeated in the future," - said Putin.
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Fin.../1135263729393The Karelia question was not on the official agenda of the Halonen visit, but it nevertheless came up in the discussions. According to the US material leaked by Wikileaks, Putin had said that “continued discussion about the possible retrocession of Karelia to Finland could damage the Russian-Finnish bilateral relationship”.
Putin said that Stalin made a mistake by invading Finland during the Winter War.
“Russia had enough territory and didn’t need to defend itself”, Putin said according to the leaked document.
There has been attempts for such direction like the monument I mentioned that was done in cooperation. There's also older monuments around the same area for Russian and Ukrainian troops.
karelia..karelia... in karelia 90% russians, 2% finns and 8% karela.
why this question is still discussed?
ps. finland simply does not recognize karela as ethnicity. we do.
Its about time, there's very few alive anymore from those caught between the hammer and the anvil.
Karelians are one of the ethnic subgroups or "tribes" as expressed in traditional ethnography, of which the people of Finland are thought to consist.
Though today, they have largely mixed due to the effect of migration.
And Ingrian Finns were permitted to come to Finland after the dissolution of the USSR.
What hogwash are you writing about?
There was inquiry on attitudes of Finns by EVA back in 2006 that asked "Should the talk about returning Karelia be stopped already in our country". 73% said we should, 10% couldn't say and 17% disagreed. Mainly older generation disagrees.
Last edited by PEMM; 03-15-2013 at 11:02 AM.
Anyway, when Pro Karelia talks about returning Karelia they mean Karelian isthmus and some area north, where Finnish Karelians lived. Not the areas where people you are talking about live in.
Last edited by PEMM; 03-15-2013 at 11:28 AM.
Long live Russian-Karelian friendship!
I think this finnish border incident was officially pretty much hushed until the end of the Soviet Union.
Karelia, we don't need it. Petsamo on the other hand...