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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
    And that somehow doesn't make it a colony? It still was an established colony by American interests.
    Was Liberia ever ruled by the United States ?

    Edit : Dinges beat me to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinges View Post
    Do or did the US lay claim to Liberia as a foreign territory?
    Once again, was the Dutch Indies not a colony before it got nationalised in 1800?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
    Once again, was the Dutch Indies not a colony before it got nationalised in 1800?
    This is not at question here. Stop trolling this thread.

    And answer the question from Hulaku and myself while you are at it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinges View Post
    This is not at question here. Stop trolling this thread.
    lol................... 1234567

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
    lol................... 1234567
    Par for the course

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
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    Great rebuttal.
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    What do you mean, 'traditional sense of words'? Was not the Dutch East India a colony too then I presume?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
    And that somehow doesn't make it a colony? It still was an established colony by American interests.

    Who's the one obtuse?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
    Once again, was the Dutch Indies not a colony before it got nationalised in 1800?
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    lol................... 1234567
    Thanks for your great inputs in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinges View Post
    Par for the course
    No, US were never controlling Liberia.
    Now you answer mine.

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    Thanks for your great inputs in this thread.
    That's cool, why won't you guys my questions then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
    No, US were never controlling Liberia.
    Now you answer mine.


    That's cool, why won't you guys my questions then?

    Because that was not what this thread is about , but I will entertain you.

    The Dutch did lay claim to all the parts of the DEI , whereas the US did not with Liberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtydiaper View Post
    And that somehow doesn't make it a colony? It still was an established colony by American interests.

    Who's the one obtuse?
    the freed slave then turn on the original native african of Liberian and became their master marginalising the native africans of liberia
    [*******#000000][FONT=sans-serif]The Americo-Liberians had been cut off from their African cultural inheritance by the conditions of [/FONT][/COLOR]slavery[*******#000000][FONT=sans-serif], and were entirely acculturated to contemporary Euro-America society. They were of mixed African and European ancestry and therefore generally lighter-skinned than the indigenous blacks. Crucially, they had absorbed beliefs in the religious superiority of Protestant Christianity, the cultural superiority of [/FONT][/COLOR]European civilization[*******#000000][FONT=sans-serif], and the aesthetic superiority of European skin color and hair texture.[/FONT][/COLOR][*******#000000][FONT=sans-serif]They created a social and material facsimile of American society in Liberia, maintaining their English-speaking, Americanized way of life, and building churches and houses resembling those of the Southern U.S.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    [*******#000000][FONT=sans-serif]The Americo-Liberians never constituted more than five percent of the population of Liberia, yet they controlled key resources that allowed them to dominate the local native peoples: access to the ocean, modern technical skills, literacy and higher levels of education, and valuable relationships with many American institutions, including the American government.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    [*******#000000][FONT=sans-serif]Ironically, one aspect of American society that the Americo-Liberians recreated was a cultural and racial caste system—however, in this case with themselves at the top instead of the bottom. To them, their society must have seemed radically different from the USA because it rejected the ubiquitous Western belief in immutable racial hierarchy, which had led the colonists to despair of life in the USA. They, on the other hand, believed in racial equality, and therefore in the potential of all people to become 'civilized' through evangelization and education. Like many white missionaries before and after them, they were frustrated by the natives' lack of interest in becoming 'civilized.'[/FONT][/COLOR]
    [*******#000000][FONT=sans-serif]Some local people assimilated into Americo-Liberian society, often by marriage. Some entire coastal tribes became Protestants and learned English. But most indigenous Africans kept to their traditional languages and religions. Before long, the Americo-Liberian ruling elite was living rather prosperously, sending their children to America for (often racially segregated) high school and college education, and keeping the indigenous peoples excluded from all political and economic leadership.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Liberia

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    the truth is that africans are to blame for their predicament in africa,we have being fight each other from the day Europeans came to africa even now we have never being united.we steal,loot from this continent and go and build in other places.i dont blame what others come to do in africa because every one wants to survive and if african dont want to get their ish together they are to blame.even if china build highways, skyscape,cities e.t.c. and we dont get our ish together we will be another syria in a couple of years.who hasnt seen what syria is doing to their cities,progress means ish if your still ruled by dictators or 90% of your country men are poor ,kids cant get basic education or three meals per day,your country is divided between tribes,religions and the political class still marginalise the common man in africa,behaving like they are the God bestowed ruling class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maumau View Post
    the truth is that africans are to blame for their predicament in africa,we have being fight each other from the day Europeans came to africa even now we have never being united.we steal,loot from this continent and go and build in other places.i dont blame what others come to do in africa because every one wants to survive and if african dont want to get their ish together they are to blame.even if china build highways, skyscape,cities e.t.c. and we dont get our ish together we will be another syria in a couple of years.who hasnt seen what syria is doing to their cities,progress means ish if your still ruled by dictators or 90% of your country men are poor ,kids cant get basic education or three meals per day,your country is divided between tribes,religions and the political class still marginalise the common man in africa,behaving like they are the God bestowed ruling class.
    That is what we all that call this continent home must learn , accept and move on to a better future. Progress does not mean we must forget our history , but learn from it and move on without dragging it with us. Or dragging us down with it.

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