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    Korea – F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Aircraft

    WASHINGTON, April 3, 2013 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress March 29 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Korea for 60 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Conventional Take Off and Landing (CTOL) aircraft and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $10.8 billion.

    The Government of the Republic of Korea has requested a possible sale of (60) F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Conventional Take Off and Landing (CTOL) aircraft. Aircraft will be configured with the Pratt & Whitney F-135 engines, and (9) Pratt & Whitney F-135 engines are included as spares. Other aircraft equipment includes: Electronic Warfare Systems; Command, Control, Communication, Computer and Intelligence/Communication, Navigational and Identification (C4I/CNI); Autonomic Logistics Global Support System (ALGS); Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS); Full Mission Trainer; Weapons Employment Capability, and other Subsystems, Features, and Capabilities; F-35 unique infrared flares; reprogramming center; F-35 Performance Based Logistics. Also included: software development/integration, aircraft ferry and tanker support, support equipment, tools and test equipment, communication equipment, spares and repair parts, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documents, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics personnel services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $10.8 billion.


    This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by meeting the legitimate security and defense needs of an ally and partner nation. The Republic of Korea continues to be an important force for peace, political stability, and economic progress in North East
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    The proposed sale of F-35s will provide the Republic of Korea (ROK) with a credible defense capability to deter aggression in the region and ensure interoperability with U.S. forces. The proposed sale will augment Korea’s operational aircraft inventory and enhance its air-to-air and air-to-ground self-defense capability. The
    ROK’s Air Force F-4 aircraft will be decommissioned as F-35’s are added to the inventory. Korea will have no difficulty absorbing these aircraft into its armed forces.

    The proposed sale of this aircraft system and support will not negatively alter the basic military balance in the region.

    The prime contractors will be Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, Texas; and Pratt & Whitney Military Engines in East Hartford, Connecticut. This proposal is being offered in the context of a competition. If the proposal is accepted, it is expected that offset agreements will be required.

    Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Korea involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical reviews/support, program management, and training over a period of 15 years. U.S. contractor representatives will be required in Korea to conduct Contractor Engineering Technical Services (CETS) and Autonomic Logistics and Global Support (ALGS) for after-aircraft delivery.

    There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness resulting from this proposed sale.

    This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.
    http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36...orea_13-10.pdf


    Korea – F-15 Silent Eagle Aircraft Support

    WASHINGTON, April 3, 2013 – The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress March 29 of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Korea in support of (60) F-15 Silent Eagle aircraft being procured via Direct Commercial Sales (DCS), and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $2.408 billion.

    The Republic of Korea has requested a possible hybrid case in support of (60) F-15 Silent Eagle aircraft being procured via Direct Commercial Sales (DCS). The proposed sale will include 60 Active Electronically Scanned ArrayRadar (AESA) rad****ts, 60 Digital Electronic Warfare Systems (DEWS), 60 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Targeting Systems, 60 AN/AAS-42 Infrared Search and Track (IRST) Systems, 132 Ultra HighFrequency/Very High Frequency (UHF/VHF) secure radio with HAVE QUICK II, 69 Link-16 Terminals and spares, the Advanced Display Core Processor II, Joint Mission Planning System, various support equipment items,GEM-V GPS airborne receiver module, and communication security; software development/integration, spares and repair parts, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documents, U.S. Government and contract engineering and logistical personnel services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $2.408 billion.

    This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy goals and national security objectives of the United States by meeting the legitimate security and defense needs of an ally and partner nation. The Republic of Korea continues to be an important force for peace, political stability, and economic progress in North East
    Asia.

    The proposed sale will augment Korea’s operational aircraft inventory and enhance its air-to-air and air-toground self-defense capability, provide it with a credible defense capability to deter aggression in the region, and ensure interoperability with U.S. forces. The Republic of Korea Air Force’s F-4 aircraft will be decommissioned as F-15SEs are added to the inventory. Korea will have no difficulty absorbing this additional equipment and support into its inventory.

    The proposed sale of equipment and support will not negatively alter the basic military balance in the region.

    Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Korea involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical reviews and support, program management, and training over a period of 15 years.

    The prime contractor will be The Boeing Corporation in St Louis, Missouri. This proposal is being offered in the context of a competition. If the proposal is accepted, it is expected that offset agreements will be required.

    There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness resulting from this proposed sale.

    This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.
    http://www.dsca.mil/pressreleases/36...orea_13-11.pdf
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    Too bad there is no European equivalent for the Typhoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdisonTrent View Post
    Too bad there is no European equivalent for the Typhoon
    Typhoon is European.

    The estimated cost for the 60 F-15SE, $2.4 billion, might indicate that this 'hybrid case' sale is for retrofitting the 60 F-15Ks to the latest F-15SE standard. However it could also be a mistake on the part of whoever wrote the document.

    One thing that's missing on the F-15SE document compared to F-35 is 'aircraft ferry and tanker support'. This could mean that the aircraft are those that are already in Korea. We need more info on what the estimates/terminologies/omissions mean.

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    NORK's gonna love this!

    Wasn't SK interested in the Typhoon at one point?

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    I am talking about the documents. Also if it was hybrid there would have to be SOME new planes. Reduced order plus retrofit not all retrofit only.

    ^^^ Thats why I wished there was documents for typhoon too happyslapper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdisonTrent View Post
    I am talking about the documents. Also if it was hybrid there would have to be SOME new planes. Reduced order plus retrofit not all retrofit only.

    ^^^ Thats why I wished there was documents for typhoon too happyslapper.
    Ah. I think there's a same document from Typhoon also though not something like a notification to Congress for sale. Someone might be able to find it.

    Do you think the F-35 order plus the F-15SE retrofit is possible? I think we are just trying to find out the terms and cost of both orders first then adjust our final order from there.

    Personally I think we should go for the F-35 first then retrofit the F-15K into F-15SE at a later date. So we'll be operating both types of aircraft, keep both companies happy and also ensure our participation on F-15SE will not be wasted.

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    F-15 Silent Eagle Aircraft Support

    Is the title of the document so I still think we or boeing split up the airframe and support document maybe we buy the support then award upgrade contract to boeing/kai but it seems unlikely to me.

    Edit: derp Reading the first paragraph a few times I understand that f-15se support package is FMS and thus has document but airframe is DCS and no document.
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    40 million for a Silent Eagle? Can't be... Maybe 40 million apiece for convertion of an existing F-15K to F-15SE?

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    Great deal, ROK !!!!
    Dear mini leader will love it.

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    What the...late April Fools?

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    The F-15SE DSCA notification only covers some of the equipment that requires FMS notification. The basic airframes, engines, avionics, etc are covered under a DCS (Direct Commercial Sale) contract and do not require a DSCA notification.

    There will still be 60 new F-15s purchased, just not under an FMS sales model.

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    My personal idea current leader of North Korea wont going to die with natural ways.

    Good for ROKAF

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    I think this is more of a message to China, to get their Li'l Kimmy into a psyche ward. A much, much stronger US ally right on the shores of the same coasts as China? The Chinese do not need this at this time. Next thing, they will be forced into a much bigger percentage of the GDP to build new generations of fighters, something China is not exactly very good at lately. China is going to have to get that Li'l Brat into line- how, they do not have a clue- yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGXL836 View Post
    40 million for a Silent Eagle? Can't be... Maybe 40 million apiece for convertion of an existing F-15K to F-15SE?
    That's what I first thought though it seems now that it's only the FMS support contract for what are brand new F-15SEs. The F-15SE themselves will be bought separately through DCS.

    Thanks for the clarification guys.

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    Good news for Boeing this past month. a whopper 737 order to offset dreamliner bad news, now this.

    No mention of link 16 in the f-35 order, but mentioned for the F-15?

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