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    Paying teacher's $200.000 a yr is the proposal of the former Nevada State Superintendent idea to save Education across the Country .

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    Jim Guthrie, the 76-year-old former superintendent of Nevada, proposed last week that the state pay top teachers an annual salary of $200,000. By giving a huge raise to the top 10% of the teaching force, Guthrie argues, the state could attract more great job candidates — and at a manageable cost.
    This "new paradigm to rescue Nevada public education" is outlined in a report for "free-market think tank" Nevada Policy Research Institute.
    Guthrie's proposal set off a fierce debate in Nevada, with some prominent supporters and far more people against it.
    Soon the debate will go mainstream, as Guthrie prepares to unveil a national plan.

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    Jim Guthrie, the 76-year-old former superintendent of Nevada, proposed last week that the state pay top teachers an annual salary of $200,000. By giving a huge raise to the top 10% of the teaching force, Guthrie argues, the state could attract more great job candidates — and at a manageable cost.
    Wouldn't this mean that teachers would have to be evaluated, thus creating another hot issue with teacher unions and whatnot?

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    Jim Guthrie, the 76-year-old former superintendent of Nevada, proposed last week that the state pay top teachers an annual salary of $200,000. By giving a huge raise to the top 10% of the teaching force, Guthrie argues, the state could attract more great job candidates and at a manageable cost.
    Thats about $50k a year more than we pay consultant anaesthetists and neurosurgeons. That's a ****ing insane salary for a teacher.

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    200K for the top 10%?, the UFT *****es and whines about Merit pay being unfair

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    Why does every plan to "save" something always involve throwing ungodly amounts of money at the problem?
    'Cos it's clearly working:


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    Hmm Nevada has 25,049 Teachers 10% is 2505 that means Nevada would be paying just these 10% US$501,000,000. And what does that mean for these 2505 teachers pensions? is that sustainable among the taxpayers? Nevada already spends $1,290,624,676 on teacher salary alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    Why does every plan to "save" something always involve throwing ungodly amounts of money at the problem?
    'Cos it's clearly working:


    Awesome graph, we sure don't seem to getting our money's worth. So let's double down on failure.

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    If the market supports paying teachers $200,000 pear year, by all means let them make that.

    Unfortunately, the market doesn't support that. And since private school teachers make less than public school teachers, I'd say that the services of teachers are already overvalued.

    Let's not forget that this guy wants teachers paid $200,000 for only working 9-10 months out of the year.

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    Well at least we know who's getting a nice fat contribution from the NEA come next election...

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    Quote Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor View Post
    If the market supports paying teachers $200,000 pear year, by all means let them make that.

    Unfortunately, the market doesn't support that. And since private school teachers make less than public school teachers, I'd say that the services of teachers are already overvalued.

    Let's not forget that this guy wants teachers paid $200,000 for only working 9-10 months out of the year.

    And have their paychecks docked every month so they get "paid" the 3-4 months they aren't at school but are required to goto meetings, extra courses, curriculum conferences and resource development classes.

    My mom taught school for 37 years in Oregon, Idaho and Colorado. The problems we have with our schools is we let beaucrats in to run them. 200k is a joke even for the top 1% but the unions and our society is going to pay terribly if some answers are not found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpheus View Post
    Why does every plan to "save" something always involve throwing ungodly amounts of money at the problem?
    'Cos it's clearly working:

    if the plan comes with the graph, seems reasonable...haha

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    The solution is simple; close and sell off all public school facilities and go to a pure voucher system. All schools would be private schools. That would create actual competition and destroy the monopoly, which would improve quality and bring prices down. Government indoctrination of our kids would be eliminated and issues like religion in public schools would become moot. Of course, that would disempower the two biggest vested interests in the education game; the government and the unions; so it will never be allowed to happen.

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    Their pay should be based on how their students do on test performance and standardized board exams. If their students perform well, they get paid more. If they don't, they get a pay cut.

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    Maybe we need to make the subjects more interesting to the students.

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    Problem with schools is that the teachers are acting more like babysitters then educators. They spend all their time dealing with BS and distracting underachievers and those to slow to keep up.

    Slower (not handicapped just slower) kids get placed in slower paced classes to help them get what they need but with more individual attention and wont hurt those on the normal path.

    For repeatedly misbehaving kids what we need is a way to separate those bad eggs out from the rest of the herd. Got a kid that s always a disturbance? Put em in the "bad" class. Give it an insulting name name maybe even make em wear a uniform or shirt or something that identifies them as a loser in the eyes of the other kids, and keep em there till they either shape up and get with the program or hit 18 and kick em out on the street. Make sure they see the normal classes doing fun stuff like field trips and getting more freedoms. The key to this is to keep the bleeding hearts out of the decision making process. They will be more concerned with the kids feeling and self esteem and all that crap so they won't have the guts to make the call. I have dealt with these kinds of kids all growing up and today they are the ones in prison or stealing pills from old peoples houses. A little tuff love might save em early on, if not they were lost anyway. You cannot save em all despite what some people living in fantasy land would have you believe.

    The goal should be to get the most kids the best education possible, not any of this every child is precious crap. I get it most kids don't want to be there, but most of us had the decently to at least tolerate out captivity like human beings. For those that don't I see no reason why the other kids should suffer and why a teacher should be reduced to babysitting. Pay isn't the issue it's how we deal with people that is. We are to concerned with the rights and feelings of the people in the wrong in this country. This alone would make a huge difference in education in this country.

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