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    Default What climate change? Fewer people than EVER believe the world is really warming up

    The number of people who do not believe climate change is real has increased by 400% since 2005

    A report from the UK Energy Research Centre also shows the number of those who resolutely do not believe in climate change has more than quadrupled since 2005.

    The Government funded report shows 19 per cent of people are climate change disbelievers - up from just four per cent in 2005 - while nine per cent did not know.


    The report comes as climate change scientists working on a landmark UN report on climate change are struggling to explain why global warming appears to have slowed down in the past 15 years even though greenhouse gas emissions keep rising.

    Dr. Roy Spencer, a former NASA scientist and author of Climate Confusion, argues in his influential blog the UN report shows scientists are being forced to "recognize reality".

    He said: "We are now at the point in the age of global warming hysteria where the IPCC global warming theory has crashed into the hard reality of observations."

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/430...lly-warming-up

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    In between reality and belief, there is an enormous gulf where interpretation is everything.




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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Cruiser View Post
    In between reality and belief, there is an enormous gulf where interpretation is everything.



    x2. If millions of people suddenly started believing in creationism, that wouldn't make creationism true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Cruiser View Post
    In between reality and belief, there is an enormous gulf where interpretation is everything.
    Quoting arbitrary selected 30 years of mediocre and natural warming as something that never happened before = fail. It is like quoting daily warming between 7AM and noon and calling it unprecedented.

    Earth experienced many times stronger warming and cooling periods in the past. Global warming between 1910-1945 was twice as strong as the alleged "anthropogenic" one. Arctic got during the last 100 years much warmer (less ice), then cooler (more ice), than back warmer (less ice) and guess what will happen again? You can not forever ride on 30-year trend, which ended more than decade ago. It is cooling already.

    For those thinking, this is mode average against observations. Some people insist warming is accelerating, models got it correct and "we have to act now".


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    You useful green idiots resemble a mad doctor, who insists you are sick so he can try his crazy procedures on you, no matter what reality is.

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    ^ I can see that your pictures conflict with the ones posted before. Where are they from?

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    "Multi-model mean" is CMIP 5+ model ensemble mean for global area and rcp60 scenario (for actual CO2 production).
    "Observations" is a global surface dataset compiled by Hadley Center (UK), a combination of sea surface dataset HadSST and surface station data CRUTEM4.
    Both are monthly data since 2000.


    That climate art first chart looks like Northern hemisphere since 1970 by HadCRUT dataset

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vnh/from:1970

    but in broader look

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vnh

    there was identical warming in early 20th century, then cooling, then warming and who wants to see, there is cooling starting again. CO2 agrees with warming just in 1970-2000 period, not before and not afterwards. At the end, climate naturally oscillated all the time during the Holocene; present is indistinguishable from the past.

    http://www.climatedata.info/resource...-and-GISP2.gif

    That Arctic ice chart is similar manipulation, since satellite data for Arctic ice area are available only since 1979 - covering just the warm cycle of natural cyclical change. But the ice core record (above) and modern temperature record (bellow) shows, that Arctic easily warmed and cooled without any human influence, not regarding few millionth CO2 in the atmosphere.

    http://www.climate4you.com/images/MA...0Since1900.gif

    Logically enough, ice was much less in 30-40ties and then grew again. NW passage was open for ships because of warm climate period in 1942-44 and again in 2007-12. 20 ships got stuck in the ice this year, trying to replicate St. Roth journey from WWII. Summer ice area minimum in 2013 has been 60% higher than last year while there are many failed predictions form "scientists", expecting no sea ice in 2013 or in 2008.

    All that pseudoscientific bull**** is based solely on projecting selected 30 years trend to the year 2100. They did the same in 70ties as well, projecting ice age..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurinko View Post
    All that pseudoscientific bull**** is based solely on projecting selected 30 years trend to the year 2100. They did the same in 70ties as well, projecting ice age..
    When you twist the facts like that, it discredits all your arguments:

    "This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the full scope of the scientific climate literature"

    Now, if you want to dispute the overwhelming scientific consensus, you have to represent honestly what is being claimed. But anyway, since this isn't a scientific forum, there is not the same evidentiary and ethical standards so you can claim whatever you like. Nothing will be settled here.

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    How many of these disbelievers were people that matters, as in climate scientists?
    Last edited by Sootan; 09-22-2013 at 11:08 PM. Reason: typo

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    Yeah, I'm not sure science and the process's involved in it should be down to a tv talent show like vote amongst the populace...

    You'd get all sorts of retardedness if you opened up things to that...you could be going double digit % of people not believing in the moon landing, or that the Earth is hollow. How many would have said that the World would have ended in 2012

    To be clear I'm neither a "believer" in or skeptic of climate change...I actually don't care about it as there is **** all I can do to change it either way.....just making a point.

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    All my scientific beliefs boils down to one question. What does Neil Degrasse Tyson believe? Scholarly articles from notable climate change experts are too long and tiresome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.Cruiser View Post
    When you twist the facts like that, it discredits all your arguments:

    "This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the full scope of the scientific climate literature"

    Now, if you want to dispute the overwhelming scientific consensus, you have to represent honestly what is being claimed. But anyway, since this isn't a scientific forum, there is not the same evidentiary and ethical standards so you can claim whatever you like. Nothing will be settled here.
    Here are the "ice age is coming" news, which "never existed":

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/1970s-ice-age-scare/

    They were not surprising, since global temperature plummeted pretty much downhill, not caring about increase of CO2 by few millionths.

    This "Eurasia has been always in war with Eastasia", or "we always predicted cold and snowy winters" pattern is becoming even not funny. Thanks to Al Gore who invented internet.

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    I've noticed people seems to become more skeptic of global warming at the end of summer.

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