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    [SIZE=4]F-35 official's remarks raise questions about afterburner use in Vermont[/SIZE]


    A military leader overseeing F-35 flight training in Florida issued conflicting statements this week about whether noisy afterburners on the fighter jets would be used routinely during takeoffs in Burlington if some of the planes end up based with the Vermont Air National Guard.

    Navy Capt. Paul Haas, vice commander of the F-35 Lightning II Integrated Training Center at Eglin Air Force Base in Valparaiso, said in an interview Wednesday with the Burlington Free Press that pilots flying the planes at Eglin use afterburners most of the time as an extra safety precaution.


    Rosanne Greco, a South Burlington City Council member and an F-35 critic, said Haas’ comments were another example of the military providing contradictory information about the jets.


    Greco, the South Burlington councilor and F-35 critic, said when a composite plane crashes, fire departments would need specialized equipment to deal with the toxic fumes and to extinguish the fire. She added that she’s worried officials won’t be adequately prepared for such a scenario.

    “That plane is going to crash,” she said. “It’s a matter of where it’s going to crash. I am really hoping it crashes soon so that we see what happens when it goes down.



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    Isn't that lovely, she hopes it crashes so she can see why it shouldn't be in Vermont. Typical NIMBY Pol

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    She's a goddamned idiot. There is a lot of resistance to bringing that plane up here, which is retarded because the NG already flies out of their all of the time. They act like it is going to be completely different. There's also a great deal of support from non retarded hippies.

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    I guess she had intensive contact with such toxic fumes. Probably too much. That explains her stupid comments.

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    We have the same sort of NIMBY and peacenik idiots here in Boise.

    The local Air Guard facility, Gowen Field, has been around since the late 30s to early 40s. They've had all manner of bombers and fighters stationed there, with loud fighters being the main tenants for most of the time. F-102s and F4s being the last loud ones, the people have gotten used to the A-10s and their relatively quiet engines. Still, Gowen is a backup facility for the nearby Mountain Home AFB; and we have seen F-111s, B-1s, F-15s, and F-16s come through Boise on a regular basis for at least touch and goes. People in subdivisions which were built in the glide paths are always *****ing if a Strike Eagle comes in now and then.... And of course, the local media stirs the pot each time a temporarily-assigned unit comes in with louder aircraft.

    When Gowen got put on the short list for the F-35 a couple years back, they did so because they are near Mountain Home and would be a backup/training site for a squadron to probably be based there. Right now, MHAFB has only Strike Eagles. If Gowen's ever A-10s go away, Gowen would probably be closed and MHAFB would be less viable.

    But even with that, the local NIMBYs must have signed on with some "anti-F-35" website and had all their "too loud" talking points ready. And the peacniks shouted about how it would be incompatible with our city to bring warplanes here. Idiots don't realize we've got a big Army training facility here and Gowen, and a VA hospital at nearby 100-year old Fort Boise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroamerican View Post
    We have the same sort of NIMBY and peacenik idiots here in Boise.

    The local Air Guard facility, Gowen Field, has been around since the late 30s to early 40s. They've had all manner of bombers and fighters stationed there, with loud fighters being the main tenants for most of the time. F-102s and F4s being the last loud ones, the people have gotten used to the A-10s and their relatively quiet engines. Still, Gowen is a backup facility for the nearby Mountain Home AFB; and we have seen F-111s, B-1s, F-15s, and F-16s come through Boise on a regular basis for at least touch and goes. People in subdivisions which were built in the glide paths are always *****ing if a Strike Eagle comes in now and then.... And of course, the local media stirs the pot each time a temporarily-assigned unit comes in with louder aircraft.

    When Gowen got put on the short list for the F-35 a couple years back, they did so because they are near Mountain Home and would be a backup/training site for a squadron to probably be based there. Right now, MHAFB has only Strike Eagles. If Gowen's ever A-10s go away, Gowen would probably be closed and MHAFB would be less viable.

    But even with that, the local NIMBYs must have signed on with some "anti-F-35" website and had all their "too loud" talking points ready. And the peacniks shouted about how it would be incompatible with our city to bring warplanes here. Idiots don't realize we've got a big Army training facility here and Gowen, and a VA hospital at nearby 100-year old Fort Boise.
    Sounds like the dumbasses who moved into housing right off the South end of the runway at Hill AFB and then bit[*******#000080]c[/COLOR]h about the noise. I only wish they still had F-4s and F-105s there to really wind them up.

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    So how is F-35 creates more pollutions than current jets? or does Vermont National Guard has no jets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lugiahua View Post
    So how is F-35 creates more pollutions than current jets? or does Vermont National Guard has no jets?
    It’s made up of many high tech composites which give off toxic fumes when burned. However, local fire departments are given instructions on how to deal with such an event. I was at the crash of an F-117 at Martin airport in Maryland some years ago with my good buddy, a Captain in the fire dept. who responded. An area of about two square blocks was evacuated for a few days. No one was injured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lugiahua View Post
    So how is F-35 creates more pollutions than current jets? or does Vermont National Guard has no jets?
    They fly F-16s currently. It's the 158th Fighter Wing. One of my oldest friends used to be the XO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Sounds like the dumbasses who moved into housing right off the South end of the runway at Hill AFB and then bit[*******#000080]c[/COLOR]h about the noise. I only wish they still had F-4s and F-105s there to really wind them up.
    I worked at the airport when the RF-4s and F-4Gs used to take off from Gowen with their afterburners lit. It was a beautiful thing, especially at dusk or night when the fire could be seen.

    A big subdivision was built RIGHT IN the glide path on the southeast side of town, mostly because someone bent the arms of the planning and zoning and bought some cheap old landfill and covered it over for houses. Other subdivisions were built on farmland in the approach and glide paths from the northwest too. These areas were supposedly zoned for light industrial and NO housing, but people are always trying to make a buck. The amount of afterburners used now at Gowen is very small, as we have A-10s and only see Strike Eagles a couple times a week. So, these turds don't know how good they've got it.

    You can also hear the M-1As and artillery sometimes on the southwest side of town when the wind is right. Personally, I don't have problem with it. I'm much more cranky when some riceburner or low and slow cruiser comes down the street with his effing bass volume set way up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.Puffs View Post
    Sounds like the dumbasses who moved into housing right off the South end of the runway at Hill AFB and then bit[*******#000080]c[/COLOR]h about the noise. I only wish they still had F-4s and F-105s there to really wind them up.

    There you go, give them a taste of real noise. NIMBY's whine about today's commercial jets being too noisy. They have no clue how good they have it compared to just 20 years ago. Weaklings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by California Joe View Post
    They fly F-16s currently. It's the 158th Fighter Wing. One of my oldest friends used to be the XO...
    How many times did you joke with him about getting a ride?

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    Not enough apparently. He's a full bird Colonel now and I think he's in charge of a squadron of tankers...KC 130's maybe?

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    It's only the People's Socialist Republic of Chittenden County that's the problem here. All of idiots in the Burlington don't like the fact the Air Guard is at the airport despite what they claim "We support the guard just not the F-35 because of the environment" I hate my state sometimes ugh

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    I thought all fires created deadly toxic fumes.

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