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    I'm still mulling this Paul Ryan budget deal that stole money from every military retiree (past, present and future). This morning, upon opening my email, I noticed I had a letter from Congressman Paul Ryan…and it was begging me for an "emergency end of the year donation." It only proves what we already know. The folks in Washington are indeed clueless. Instead of hitting the delete button, I decided to call Congressman Ryan out on his audacity and lack of self-awareness. I sent the following to him. I'm also posting it on the FB USAF Chiefs page as an open letter to the Congressman. If you're a retiree, I will tell you we may have lost the battle, but not the war. If you're inclined and find it worthy, let's flood social media with this letter and see if we can get some traction. Thanks.

    To Congressman Paul Ryan
    Today at 8:19 AM
    Congressman Ryan,

    Please note that this request by you for a cash donation from me is extremely unfortunate and very ill-timed. You see sir, I am one of the military retirees your "bipartisan" budget just impacted. You and every Republican (both in the House and Senate that voted to pass this travesty betrayed and broke trust with me and everyone like me. You may not know us by name, but we're the people, Congressman, who answered our Nation's call, some of us at a very early age to willingly serve YOU and others LIKE YOU so you could safely attend college and pursue your personal ambitions without fear of harm.

    You might also want to note that for at least 20 years, my brothers-in-arms answered that call of duty EVERY SINGLE DAY, without fail, without complaint, without enough money to sustain our loved ones we had to leave behind while we DID OUR JOB in every corner of the Earth. And for that service, we were given absolute assurance our so-called retirement benefits would be protected by law. The very law you shattered in your zeal to impress your Democratic cohorts in your back room deal--with the enemy. Yes, I said it. The liberal Democrats are an enemy to the American people and our Nation. Your lack of judgement and eagerness to compromise on the backs of us who protected you is sickening. Congressman, you and every Republican that voted for injuring military retirees have engaged in a complicit, sordid affair with the Democrats who's objective has always been to dismantle the military. By climbing into their bed on this issue, you have confirmed you are absolutely no better than they and have proven it with your vote.

    Congressman Ryan, the audacity which you display is noteworthy, but to unceremoniously snatch earned money from a small group that has added so much more value than the paltry $6B you looked to "save" (which is all smoke and mirrors and you know it), is reprehensible and insulting.

    We have, despite the hardships, meager salaries and harsh conditions, have performed with honor and excellence…in silence, which is something most members of Congress have no idea about doing. Our job approval was, is and always be better than yours. We knew our mission and we got it done, then handed it off to a new generation in better shape than we found it.

    Your ability to look us in the eye, take money from us (apparently there was ZERO, other source of waste within the federal government that you could have recovered this money from…right, got it), while simultaneously holding your hand out to beg (with passion) for our cash is stunning. Your actions have proven you do not have the tremendous intellect you've sold the American people on. I say, with all seriousness, Congressman, what you lack in intellect and spinal rigidity, you make up for in cajones.

    I hope you and your cowardly, Republican "colleagues" hear a message from me loud and clear. You will NEVER receive another cent of financial support from me. Further, if you happen to be at a Capitol Hill dinner or at a K Street cocktail party with RNC Chair Reince Priebus, Rep. Ron Barber, Sen. Jeff Flake or Sen. John McCain, I would be honored if you communicate with them that I am launching an effort to ensure NONE of you traitorous "representatives of the people" ever receive another vote from a military retiree. Remove me from your contact lists.

    Chuck Wooten,
    Chief Master Sergeant, USAF (Ret)

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    Well Ryans plan imitates what the Service Chiefs have already said they wanted. The idea to reduce pensions, change eligibility for pensions, etc. came from DOD, they choose bright shiny toys rather than personnel costs for legacy personnel.

    For Years we've heard how Pensions and personnel costs are eating away at DOD's warfighting ability and cutting into Procurement,Training, and Operations.

    2011- change pension eligibility
    http://www.armytimes.com/article/201...EWS/107250313/

    2013- Increase Tricare fees, cap pay, pensions
    http://www.military.com/benefits/201...care-fees.html

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    3 different Federal agencies are studying catfish populations. For tens of millions of dollars.
    60 foreign language overseas broadcasting services. 40 of them overlap each other.
    39 states made payments to Medicare providers that far exceeded the costs of the actual service to the tune of $2.7 billion. Such waste is endemic.
    •$1.5 million to procure beef jerky advancements from France
    $6 billion on questionable, duplicative and unnecessary research, including $5.2 million to determine what lessons about democracy and social decision-making could be learned from fish.
    an $11 million grant intended to provide business attire to 400 low-income job-seekers helped only two people
    Massachusetts anti-poverty agency misspent up to $224,110 in federal grants, including pay to top exec who spent afternoons playing video poker and card games at a casino.
    ***** Cow Dairy receives USDA grant to promote its cheese even though it doesn’t even have the equipment to make cheese...


    The Pentagon has also joined the cooking show craze by partnering with the Department of Agriculture to produce a reality cooking show called Grill It Safe featuring two Grill Sergeants showing off their own “delicious recipes suitable for cooking outdoors” in a 46-minute video. While Navy is reducing training in four air wings, the Pentagon recently spent more than $1 million dreaming up plans on how to send a space ship to another solar system.



    "We are spending trillions of dollars every year and nobody knows what we are doing. The executive branch doesn’t know. The congressional branch doesn’t know. Nobody knows."

    Since 2011, the team of Boehner, Obama and Reid have managed to spend 3 trillion dollars more than we have.
    Multiple spending caps are gone. With the help of Senators like John McCain and Paul Ryan. National debt in 2011 14trillion..... today 17 trillion.
    3 trillion extra for thousands of programs. Remember that all through 2014 and 2015 as news of waste, fraud and silly spending are in the news.

    but there is not enough money for VETERANS pensions. They need reduced.

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    Please note that this request by you for a cash donation from me is extremely unfortunate and very ill-timed.
    Something smells... Don't know if I believe this part.

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    Smells like the pork from others bills needed the funding our retires could help with. The leadership are all anxious to get on the Obama "yes" train. They could care less about our military- whether active or retired. A few sweet words from these politicians and the community is appeased. Everyone of Washington's elite are a bunch of lying pieces of excrement. The Washington two-step is danced daily....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LineDoggie View Post
    Well Ryans plan imitates what the Service Chiefs have already said they wanted. The idea to reduce pensions, change eligibility for pensions, etc. came from DOD, they choose bright shiny toys rather than personnel costs for legacy personnel.

    For Years we've heard how Pensions and personnel costs are eating away at DOD's warfighting ability and cutting into Procurement,Training, and Operations.

    2011- change pension eligibility
    http://www.armytimes.com/article/201...EWS/107250313/

    2013- Increase Tricare fees, cap pay, pensions
    http://www.military.com/benefits/201...care-fees.html
    Why I agree this budget deal once again screws the military, (big surprise), I have to call the Master Sergeant out on saying the "Democrats want to destroy the military, as there are MANY who have, and continue to serve in the armed forces. His states criticizing them a great disservice, and serves no purpose other than to inflame the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toad View Post
    3 different Federal agencies are studying catfish populations. For tens of millions of dollars.
    60 foreign language overseas broadcasting services. 40 of them overlap each other.
    39 states made payments to Medicare providers that far exceeded the costs of the actual service to the tune of $2.7 billion. Such waste is endemic.
    •$1.5 million to procure beef jerky advancements from France
    $6 billion on questionable, duplicative and unnecessary research, including $5.2 million to determine what lessons about democracy and social decision-making could be learned from fish.
    an $11 million grant intended to provide business attire to 400 low-income job-seekers helped only two people
    Massachusetts anti-poverty agency misspent up to $224,110 in federal grants, including pay to top exec who spent afternoons playing video poker and card games at a casino.
    ***** Cow Dairy receives USDA grant to promote its cheese even though it doesn’t even have the equipment to make cheese...


    The Pentagon has also joined the cooking show craze by partnering with the Department of Agriculture to produce a reality cooking show called Grill It Safe featuring two Grill Sergeants showing off their own “delicious recipes suitable for cooking outdoors” in a 46-minute video. While Navy is reducing training in four air wings, the Pentagon recently spent more than $1 million dreaming up plans on how to send a space ship to another solar system.



    "We are spending trillions of dollars every year and nobody knows what we are doing. The executive branch doesn’t know. The congressional branch doesn’t know. Nobody knows."

    Since 2011, the team of Boehner, Obama and Reid have managed to spend 3 trillion dollars more than we have.
    Multiple spending caps are gone. With the help of Senators like John McCain and Paul Ryan. National debt in 2011 14trillion..... today 17 trillion.
    3 trillion extra for thousands of programs. Remember that all through 2014 and 2015 as news of waste, fraud and silly spending are in the news.

    but there is not enough money for VETERANS pensions. They need reduced.
    All that stuff is someone's pet project, pumping money into the area/state they represent in the House or the Senate. They all claim they want to cut money, but if it's going to affect them, or their chances for reelection, it ain't happening.

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    Well Ryans plan imitates what the Service Chiefs have already said they wanted. The idea to reduce pensions, change eligibility for pensions, etc. came from DOD, they choose bright shiny toys rather than personnel costs for legacy personnel.
    Stop it with your facts and complicated issues!! We're trying to blame someone for all the world's problems here. It's a heck of a lot easier to do, then actually think things through and recognize that they can be very complicated.

    We're all, you know, read to "cut waste" and "cut budgets" and "cut government"...except when "OUR" money is cut. Then, no no! cut the other guy's benefits, not mine.

    Look folks, government spending needs to be cut. Pure and simple. The military is NOT off the chopping block. It needs to be on the chopping block too. Which means that everyone's "government benefits" are going to have to be cut: your's, mine, that guys and that other guys too. It needs to be across the board, otherwise you'll always run into the problem of someone saying "don't cut MY benefits!".

    Paul Ryan and the Republican Congress have cut actual government spending (not off the baseline) for the second time in 2 consecutive years. That hasn't happened since the 1950s. These guys are doing an excellent job at what we voted them to do: cut spending.

    I understand the arguments that veterans make. But it was your choice to get into the military. You knew the risks, rewards, compensation etc. We have a volunteer military, not a compulsory military. The military provided you with countless benefits on top of the salary or monetary benefit you may have received, such as, for example, free higher education, preferential selection for Federal jobs etc (almost every Fed job out there clearly states that veterans get first dibs). So if you're not willing to cut your benefits that you get from the Federal government, who is going to be willing to cut theirs, so that we get spending under control? So it's your choice: agree to cut your and mine and everyone's benefits, or keep increasing government spending and drive this country into ruin. If you chose the latter, then don't complain about government spending anymore.

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    I've known soldiers that were on food stamps....why are we doomed to redo this mess again?? FFS....beef jerky advancements from France??? seriously??? in other countries stores would be burned for this nonsense why must we be glued to "American idiot" all the time??

    I've joked about defecting to Cuba but somedays I really consider just running to Russia....and that is a wacky turn of events!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AIG View Post
    Stop it with your facts and complicated issues!! We're trying to blame someone for all the world's problems here. It's a heck of a lot easier to do, then actually think things through and recognize that they can be very complicated.

    We're all, you know, read to "cut waste" and "cut budgets" and "cut government"...except when "OUR" money is cut. Then, no no! cut the other guy's benefits, not mine.

    Look folks, government spending needs to be cut. Pure and simple. The military is NOT off the chopping block. It needs to be on the chopping block too. Which means that everyone's "government benefits" are going to have to be cut: your's, mine, that guys and that other guys too. It needs to be across the board, otherwise you'll always run into the problem of someone saying "don't cut MY benefits!".

    Paul Ryan and the Republican Congress have cut actual government spending (not off the baseline) for the second time in 2 consecutive years. That hasn't happened since the 1950s. These guys are doing an excellent job at what we voted them to do: cut spending.

    I understand the arguments that veterans make. But it was your choice to get into the military. You knew the risks, rewards, compensation etc. We have a volunteer military, not a compulsory military. The military provided you with countless benefits on top of the salary or monetary benefit you may have received, such as, for example, free higher education, preferential selection for Federal jobs etc (almost every Fed job out there clearly states that veterans get first dibs). So if you're not willing to cut your benefits that you get from the Federal government, who is going to be willing to cut theirs, so that we get spending under control? So it's your choice: agree to cut your and mine and everyone's benefits, or keep increasing government spending and drive this country into ruin. If you chose the latter, then don't complain about government spending anymore.
    While there's a *****load or waste in the military budget (silly little things like buying equipment we don't need, replacing PT and dress uniforms every few years, everyone and their mother wanting their own uniform, etc. cutting military benefits isn't the way to go about it. People in the military give up a LOT, it's like no other career you will ever have, and for those sacrifices, you're supposed to get something in return. Now, they want to change the rules of the game. It's like making to the goal line, and then having them move the goal line.

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    While there's a *****load or waste in the military budget (silly little things like buying equipment we don't need, replacing PT and dress uniforms every few years, everyone and their mother wanting their own uniform, etc. cutting military benefits isn't the way to go about it. People in the military give up a LOT, it's like no other career you will ever have, and for those sacrifices, you're supposed to get something in return. Now, they want to change the rules of the game. It's like making to the goal line, and then having them move the goal line.
    1) It wasn't Paul Ryan that suggested or drew up the deal. It's what the military suggested. If you want to blame anyone, blame the military.

    2) Military personnel may give up a lot but they also get a lot in return. I know everyone likes to harp on about the "poor pay" etc. The pay is only a small portion of your compensation. You get free education, free healthcare for the rest of your life, retirement at a young age and a preferential spot in just about every government job out there. Go apply for a Fed job, and see if you have any chance in hell of getting it unless you're a veteran.

    So I get it. It's not a lot of money. But its a b**tload of other compensations. And, its a choice.

    3) lets be clear here: what exactly is being cut, and how much is being cut? People are making it sound like its the end of the world. I have yet to hear anyone say, what actually is being cut and how this will impact actual veterans. Lets hear it, please.

    4) The goal lines will have to move for everyone. If you want to cut government spending on entitlements, which are by far the biggest portion of government spending, entitlements for military vets have to change as well. You can't have it one way or the other. If you want to halt the spending problem, everyone will need to accept changes. Everyone. Be it to social security, medicare, or veterans benefits. And you can't say: "well cut those other people,s but not mine, because I'm a vet." Everybody thinks they're special. Everybody thinks they are heroes. Teachers say "we're heroes, you can't cut OUR entitlements!" Cops say "we're heroes, you can't cut OUR entitlements!". Old people say "we're old, you can't cut OUR entitlements!" Young people say "we're the future, you can't cut OUR entitlements!". Sorry. Everyone has to be cut. Or else, you don't cut spending.

    Chose one option.

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