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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather057 View Post
    Iraqi M1A1M Abrams (Downgraded)
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    Well, bad PR did not hurt T-72.

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    Not sure the back ground on this. Helicopter being shot down, viewed from thermal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laworkerbee View Post
    Perhaps a lot more of them if those inventories of ATGM's that have been let loose in Syria starting making their way over the border in large numbers.
    And it's happened.

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    Dafuq is Iraqi government doing?

    Iraq should a year ago already coordinate efforts with Syria to contain the jihadists, not just sit there and watch Syria transform into Al-Qaeda operational base. Help the Syrian government with money, equipment, intelligence... (limited) military intervention even. Send money & weapons to syrian Kurds. Anything to keep the terrorist bodycount high & prevent them from connecting the Iraqi & Syrian front. It's a regional jihad sprung by Saudi oil barons and Iraq is on the list..

    (will be "funny" when FSA will lend TOWs to their alqaida buddies, and those will end up shooting on Iraqi M1's. Please Obama, approve more weapons for moderate islamists )

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZapB View Post
    (will be "funny" when FSA will lend TOWs to their alqaida buddies, and those will end up shooting on Iraqi M1's. Please Obama, approve more weapons for moderate islamists )
    I guess it's a matter of time. TOW's are in Syria in rebels hands. USA weapon destroyed by USA weapon mean that most devastating for US ME policy is US middle east policy.

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    War spoils from yesterdays battle in Anbar



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    things are heating up.

    Army retook Ramadi some weeks ago... now some terrorists are back again in Ramadi.
    I am guessing the army / border guard simply have no control over the border, terrorists with anti tank missiles and SAMs are popping up.

    Falluja / garma and some of the farms they're moving around in are on the approaches to Baghdad Airport... maybe 25km from the airport. All it would take is for them to get within 5km of the airport one night to shoot a missile at a landing passenger jet... and they are literally only 20-30 minute drive from being in such a position.

    armed forces of Iraq still don't have a single fighter or attack jet.

    The air force's only "combat aircraft" are 3x AC208 cessnas armed with 2 hellfires.
    The EC635s are bearing the brunt of the warfare, there's only 24 of them spread around a combat zone stretching from the Jordan / Syria / Saudi border to Hamrin Mountains near Iran...

    Army has VERY strict RoE in place by politicians in Baghdad tying their hands.

    Still the Iraqi MOD doesn't seem to show any particular "urgency" in acquiring armaments for the armed forces.

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    Ramadi:





    Army has VERY strict RoE in place by politicians in Baghdad tying their hands.
    Like someone cares, I've seen them burn bodies.

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    Army has VERY strict RoE in place by politicians in Baghdad tying their hands.
    Prove it.

    The IA fired on unarmed protestors a year back and then again a few months ago, the casualties were fairly high and they sure as hell played their part in what we are seeing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godfather057 View Post
    Not sure the back ground on this. Helicopter being shot down, viewed from thermal.
    Anyone have any other insight into this? Sure looks like a Hind towards the end of the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laworkerbee View Post
    Prove it.
    ok.

    The army is not allowed to fire artillery into central falluja
    not allowed to bomb the city (only some outlying areas and, the helos missed hitting terrorists many times because of the presence of civilians nearby).
    not allowed to cut off supplies to the city
    They have to let traffic come in and out of Falluja freely so as not to appear "discriminating" against Sunni Arabs
    They have not taken control of a large swathe of farms around Falluja because the Anbar local government "requested" that it negotiate with those tribes (who have been openly terrorists since day one and simply keep a "ruse" of talking with the anbar local government to keep the terrorists supply lines open into Falluja.

    Basically the army has been told to "secure" the area, but don't shoot if there are civilians anywhere nearby, and don't enter these farms where the terrorists travel because the tribes there would feel "disrespected"... and let young men and supplies come in and out of falluja freely... hell even keep the phone lines and internet on for the terrorists inside! Otherwise they'll feel "disrespected" by the "safawis".

    The IA fired on unarmed protestors a year back and then again a few months ago, the casualties were fairly high and they sure as hell played their part in what we are seeing now.
    You may have misheard but the "camps" in both Hawija and Ramadi were simple terrorist safe havens, and you can do a simple google search for images and videos where they proudly raise the flags of al qaida, sing in chorus "we will cut off the heads of the shias" and of course in all instances the "peaceful unarmed protesters" killed Iraqi soldiers FIRST.

    Daesh "ISIS" have as their official policy the complete extermination of every single shia on planet earth. Now with Iraq being about 60% Shia (nearer 68% if we discount the kurds), that's nearly 2/3rds of the population that is openly being threatened with GENOCIDE in a public policy (must be the first since the Interahamwe from the mid 90s?). And what does the government do against the ones attacking Iraq and attempting genocide? let them live freely, keep supply lines to them open etc...

    The government must either decide to:
    1- let Daesh setup their own "state" in Anbar and fight them as an "external enemy".
    2- Consider Anbar as part of Iraq, in which case give a 24 hour evacuation warning to any "innocent" civilian who is still there then destroy daesh completely with artillery and starve them out and shoot everything that moves within the "forbidden zones".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
    You may have misheard but the "camps" in both Hawija and Ramadi were simple terrorist safe havens, and you can do a simple google search for images and videos where they proudly raise the flags of al qaida, sing in chorus "we will cut off the heads of the shias" and of course in all instances the "peaceful unarmed protesters" killed Iraqi soldiers FIRST.
    He didn't. Distasteful though it is there is a big difference between waving flags, singing songs and saying nasty things and ACTUALLY killing people. Iraq is supposed to be a democracy, I say supposed advisedly given that Kirkuk hasn't ever seen a free election and hasn't had one of any kind since Saddam was in power and given the farce that was the 2009 poll. Soldiers were certainly killed and quite possibly first but that does not excuse the indiscriminate fire by supposedly (again used advisedly) disciplined members of the security forces that followed.

    Quote Originally Posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
    Daesh "ISIS" have as their official policy the complete extermination of every single shia on planet earth. Now with Iraq being about 60% Shia (nearer 68% if we discount the kurds), that's nearly 2/3rds of the population that is openly being threatened with GENOCIDE in a public policy (must be the first since the Interahamwe from the mid 90s?). And what does the government do against the ones attacking Iraq and attempting genocide? let them live freely, keep supply lines to them open etc...
    That's the joys of democracy. If al-Maliki wants to pretend to be a democrat that's the price. Even if he wants to follow velayat-e faqih style democracy that's also going to be the price. Sh1t happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
    The government must either decide to:
    1- let Daesh setup their own "state" in Anbar and fight them as an "external enemy".
    2- Consider Anbar as part of Iraq, in which case give a 24 hour evacuation warning to any "innocent" civilian who is still there then destroy daesh completely with artillery and starve them out and shoot everything that moves within the "forbidden zones".
    So basically you advocate the genocide you claim to abhor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal View Post
    He didn't. Distasteful though it is there is a big difference between waving flags, singing songs and saying nasty things and ACTUALLY killing people.
    But they did actually kill people. Lots of people.

    Iraq is supposed to be a democracy, I say supposed advisedly given that Kirkuk hasn't ever seen a free election and hasn't had one of any kind since Saddam was in power and given the farce that was the 2009 poll.
    huh?

    Soldiers were certainly killed and quite possibly first but that does not excuse the indiscriminate fire by supposedly (again used advisedly) disciplined members of the security forces that followed.
    OK. Please tell me what would a civilised country do if "protesters" in a camp sit and:
    1- call for genocide
    2- openly boast of being terrorists
    3- kidnap and murder members of the armed forces
    4- Carry illegal firearms and shoot at the armed forces.
    5- Include WANTED TERRORISTS for murder amongst them, and refuse to hand them over to authorities.

    What would the government and armed forces of the nicest cutest most civilised country on earth do? I mean the Iraqi government actually let them continue with their activities FOR MANY MONTHS despite them committing crimes, openly harbouring WANTED TERRORISTS, carrying illegal firearms. They were ALLOWED to do that unhindered in the name of "democracy"... but when they started shooting and murdered soldiers... it stopped.


    That's the joys of democracy. If al-Maliki wants to pretend to be a democrat that's the price. Even if he wants to follow [I}velayat-e faqih[/I] style democracy that's also going to be the price. Sh1t happens.
    Which democratic country that you know of accepts people who are actively attempting to commit genocide. People who are not only officially proclaiming their desire to commit genocide, but have in fact already killed more than 100,000+ Iraqi citizens in their aim. I would love for you to show me an example of a country that is under such an existential attack which has dealt with the problem with the "kiddie gloves" that Iraq has been so far... In fact that is the main CRITICISM of the Iraqi government from within the general populace.. not that its "heavy handed" in any way (it isn't at all).


    So basically you advocate the genocide you claim to abhor?
    I wrote:
    The government must either decide to:
    1- let Daesh setup their own "state" in Anbar and fight them as an "external enemy".
    2- Consider Anbar as part of Iraq, in which case give a 24 hour evacuation warning to any "innocent" civilian who is still there then destroy daesh completely with artillery and starve them out and shoot everything that moves within the "forbidden zones".
    where can you find a reference to genocidal intent anywhere there? Most of the civilians ALREADY LEFT the area months ago, the numbers remaining are small and mostly part of the ISIS/Daesh network... but still, give the ones who want to live a "chance" to leave before carrying out the attack. Although my personal preference is to let the people there keep "Daesh" and Iraq should simply isolate it and close it off completely... and cut off the funding from Iraqi money for the terrorists and their sympathisers (yes, that "maliki" is still giving those terrorists and their sympathisers money and food and medicines every day - whilst they roam about trying to carry out their "genocide fatwa" in return)... but then of course its the government who aren't "doing enough" to accomodate the needs of the "genocidal degenerates", clearly.

    PS.If you want to hear "advocation of genocide" read / listen to the official "fatwas" of ISIS/Daesh.



    I am really shocked by some of the views here. I had imagined that there is absolutely 0 doubt who the "bad guys" are in this fight, since the facts of the matter are so stacked against one completely degenerate enemy-of-humanity vs a war ravaged / "developing" state that still DOES have working democratic institutions and freedom despite its semi-functional state, lots of corruption and nepotism and the saudi/qatari attempt at propagandising against it. Iraq is still "working" and still "trying" to dig out of its situation and become a "normal" country much to the chagrin of Saudi/Qatar who are openly funding terrorism in Iraq and advocating for it via their propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
    But they did actually kill people. Lots of people.
    Which I said. The difference being that criminals killed a number of undercover troops at Hawija and the security forces then opened fire indiscriminately in to the crowds. Murder. In both cases. The difference being that the Iraqi government claims to abide by its own laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
    huh?
    Maybe read it again? Al-Maliki claims to lead a democratic administration. I call BS.

    Quote Originally Posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
    OK. Please tell me what would a civilised country do if "protesters" in a camp sit and:
    1- call for genocide
    2- openly boast of being terrorists
    3- kidnap and murder members of the armed forces
    4- Carry illegal firearms and shoot at the armed forces.
    5- Include WANTED TERRORISTS for murder amongst them, and refuse to hand them over to authorities.
    Not much judging by both great and little satan - who have allowed PIRA and AQ sympathisers to do exactly that on the grounds of free speech - with the exception of the shooting bit, whereby they have generally enforced rules of engagement that demand deadly force is used in response to a specific threat to life rather than simply brassing up the neighbourhood.

    Quote Originally Posted by sheytanelkebir View Post
    What would the government and armed forces of the nicest cutest most civilised country on earth do? I mean the Iraqi government actually let them continue with their activities FOR MANY MONTHS despite them committing crimes, openly harbouring WANTED TERRORISTS, carrying illegal firearms. They were ALLOWED to do that unhindered in the name of "democracy"... but when they started shooting and murdered soldiers... it stopped.
    Like I said you want to be viewed as a democracy, act like one. You wanna go back to the good ol' days of Saddam, Uday and Qusay then you're going the right way - its just the names and sects that have changed.

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