Airsoft photos and art

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[rzuk]

Cool picture, but put your dominant arm down against your side. Chickenwing.

Yes good point, but i saw many profesional operators (SWAT ,GEO and GROM if i good remember) aiming the same "wrong" way.
When you are in such elite force like 22nd SAS regiment or GROM , nobody's care how you put your arm during aiming, even if it is against all training and combat rules.
Anyway its only airsoft reenactment so it's ok for me

But besides yes you have right

[david3558]

Uh, actually the arm is supposed to be up...thats how you fire...my father told me how, wehn he was in the army, when you do firing drills....

[TacoDelRio]

Uh, actually the arm is supposed to be up...thats how you fire...my father told me how, wehn he was in the army, when you do firing drills....

My bad.

I shouldn't go "correcting". It's pointless on the internet.

FROM MY EXPERIENCE:
-Keeping your arms down to your sides in an urban environment helps, since you don't whack yer arms on sh1t. I was taught that in the Army.
-Keeping your arm out at a 90 degree angle (straight out), helps me shoot weapons that do not have a pistol grip, such as bolt action rifles and the like.

Summary: Arms down at sides when in MOUT/CQB. Arms wherever the hell you like for longer-range, open country engagements or while not moving through buildings or tight spots.

I'm sorry I "corrected". Completely pointless on my behalf.

[SgtBojangles]

On the NJROTC Rifle Team, they taught us to rest our dominant elbow on our hip. So basically, you have to "pop" your hip out. It might be uncomfortable at first, but you get used to it. I usually don't aim like this, but whenever I do, it works.

I don't like "chickenwing"ing it, so I keep my arm down at all times. That's just how I roll.

You can aim however you want, just be ready for all consequences.

[rzuk]

FROM MY EXPERIENCE:
-Keeping your arms down to your sides in an urban environment helps, since you don't whack yer arms on sh1t. I was taught that in the Army.

Good friend of mine who is Police SWAT unit operator, told me that the main reason of keeping you arm down to your sides , is that you should always present as small target surface as you can.
Of course all its about close combat, and i dont know how it looks like in the army
As far as i know every cqb instructor teach it as a basic knowledge (like not puting finger on a triger unless you going to fire)

BTW it is still airsoft pic so he can put his arm even above his head if he wants to

[Catch22]

First, chickenwing dates back to the old school - where no extensive training or shooting theory was developed, nor some specialized situations and drills as CQC were were rewieved. Basically MrSkorotsnoy got it right - most arguments pro closed stance are the ones involving automatic weapons (especially with telescopic regulated buttstock) used in urban environment. And rzuk - Not trying to get into details on this one but - if you're putting a lot of effort into recreating or impersonating some particular elite unit (or at least "style" after them), then get some understanding of what you are trying to copy, and do it right. Someone with excellent gear but acting clueless doesn't look cool - just silly instead. Just money won't buy you any skills - some dedication is needed. So if you post posed photos - where you have time to remove all the errors, make them look the best - not half assed. You get the point?

I looked at those excellent photos above and I wondered how do the kydex sidearm pouches placed on inner thigh work? Or how do the MP mag dropleg pouches are quickly accesible when huge grenade pouch seems to block the acces to them?

[RandallH1989]

Always keep the chickenwing down. It lowers your profile and thus presents a smaller target for the enemy. I don't care what your daddy taught you. Look it up.

[PIMP]

I looked at those excellent photos above and I wondered how do the kydex sidearm pouches placed on inner thigh work? Or how do the MP mag dropleg pouches are quickly accesible when huge grenade pouch seems to block the acces to them?

Catch, you're missing the point - Airsoft is all about putting as much cool sh1t on your body and your rifle as possible in order to show off all your cool stuff and get everybody jealous.

[Argyll]

I watched a documentary about an LA SWAT team,where they always used to go with the chicken wing stance ,they responded to a call out and when they entered the premises,two of the team were shot under the armpit,where there was no protective Body Armour,their wounds were fatal,thereafter the team adopted the lower arm stance,covering up the vitals where the body armour doesn't protect,figuring if a rounds going to hit a vital area,then a protected arm will protect the weak spots!

[Blarney]

I watched a documentary about an LA SWAT team,where they always used to go with the chicken wing stance ,they responded to a call out and when they entered the premises,two of the team were shot under the armpit,where there was no protective Body Armour,their wounds were fatal,thereafter the team adopted the lower arm stance,covering up the vitals where the body armour doesn't protect,figuring if a rounds going to hit a vital area,then a protected arm will protect the weak spots!

Saw the same thing a while back. Good show on discovery times. They also did one on Las Vegas SWAT.

[Catch22]

Catch, you're missing the point - Airsoft is all about putting as much cool sh1t on your body and your rifle as possible in order to show off all your cool stuff and get everybody jealous.

Well, if it's really so then I don't get what it's all about Good gear is all nice, but when person wearing it, isn't able to match and wear it properly, not mentioning using this gear potential - then such view doesn't make me jelaous - it makes me laugh. Mind - I'm saying all that having SOE vest for 300$+ that I'm still learning to use effectively.

As for the story cited by Argyll - use and development of body armours forced ops to change several things, shooting stance among them - now frontal upper body stance seems more practical since effective hard plates are in use while sides are mostly just soft kevlar class III. There are some side hard plates developed but it will take a while before we see more of that.

[rzuk]

Airsoft is a game.....Airsoft is a fun
Thats all about.

My point is that you can choose to just play airsoft and just looks sharp and have fun.
or you tryiing to raise you skills and take all this game more serious. (like my team trying to do) Trying to do it the most realistic as you can

It's all matter of choice, thats why i wrote that he can raise his arm even above his head if he wants to.
Their SAS reenactment is the best i ever saw(the best looking) , and i dont care about nothing more.

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[Sten3]