Seemed like the Marines were cleaning up everything behind the Army advance in GW2. Like the Army bulldozed anything stupid enough to try and take on the 3rdID the the Marines came through and kicked the survivors in the ass. i could be wrong, just how i interpreted it, but hey Both Army and Marines did a damn good job working together you have to admit despite all this 'service rivalry'. we're all on the same team fellasboth can be proud, they each destroyed a division in one day... ironically enough on the same day...
Very true. Is it just me, though, or has interservice rivalry gone up drastically in recent history? It just seems like they coexisted better back in WW2/Korea/etc.but hey Both Army and Marines did a damn good job working together you have to admit despite all this 'service rivalry'. we're all on the same team fellas
There might be something to that though. For the past 10 years or so, the Army has been trying to become more and more like the Marine Corps- the US's 911 "First to Fight" attack force instead of a occupying force. The Stryker brigades are a perfect example of that. Also, the Marines have sorta been getting the shaft as far as funding and equipment goes since Vietnam compared to what seems like unlimited funding and new equipment (e.g. the army gets new Bradleys and Strykers while the Marines use AAVs that are 30+ years old.) I think the Marines just don't want to be seen as "obsolete" or "second tier" to the Army.Originally Posted by Ratamacue
So does Force Recon only do Recon for the MEU their with.
No. The Force Platoon platoon assigned to the MEU worrks with them, but the rest of the company remains attached to MEF.
Dude, the Gulf was not combat like WW2 or Vietnam. I meen in conparisson. The GW1 was a turkey shoot (for the most part). Read Into the Storm by Tom Clancy and Jarhead by Anthony Swoford and you`ll understand what I meen.Yeah, it was the Marines who liberated Kuwait in GWI, and they saw action every day from day one in GWII. The Army on the other hand went a full day or two without seeing any action. So really, the Marine were pry in MORE action than the Army.
Just because you don't see it on CNN doesnt mean it didn't happen
P.S. I think 7th Corps (An Army Armored Corps), the one that almost annihilated the Repebilcan Guard, saw more action thanb the Marines in GW1.
Dude, they slaughtered the Iraqis, they took very few casualties comparitivly. When they say "Heavily Enganged", it meens they are killing a lot of enemy. 28 marines were KIA in GW1, nothing compared to the thousands of Iraqis who died in their sector (Many due to the Air Campaign.).
The highway of death...and the infamous picture of a chared skeleton in a vehicle, still gripping the wheel and teeth bearing.
Thats a sick picture dude. Do you have it?
UCT_Sinasta, What city are you from?
What gets me is the marines always trying to outdo army to set themselves apart and then blow smoke up peoples ass about it. Don't get me wrong, i respect Marines and everything they do, it is a great organization just like the rest of the military, but come on, this rivalry thing is just rediculous. I'm yet to hear from anybody in the Army anything about Marines, much less competing with them... people just don't care about it, yet it seems that Marines try to show themselves in all the shining glory and always compare themselves to everybody else.'service rivalry'
And that is just from a wannabe, yet to go through all the brainwashing.So really, the Marine were pry in MORE action than the Army.
Don't want to change the facts, but are there any marines in Iraq now (I really don't know)? It seems that army and national guard, who are scheduled to take over the active for the rest of the time there, are taking more hits, which also tells me they are more on the streets and on the front lines.
Like I said, the army, at least the actual soldiers, not to include the high command, don't care about marines! Army has its own goals to fulfill, which are usually broader and long-range since it has to also stay and occupy the territory, it needs its own equipment for its own purpose. Or is it just marines getting jealous that army is getting more mobile??Army has been trying to become more and more like the Marine Corps
This is just my opinion, i won't bet on any facts I'm not sure of, so if there is any information i misinterpreted, please correct me. I don't mean to offend anybody either, just had to say this.
But aren't they the only ones with service rivalry?Don't get me wrong, i respect Marines and everything they do, it is a great organization just like the rest of the military...
...yet it seems that Marines try to show themselves in all the shining glory and always compare themselves to everybody else.
It looks like they take it to another level... Rivalry has always and will exist. Yet nowhere did I say that it makes them bad soldiers or whatever you mean by this quotesBut aren't they the only ones with service rivalry?
The vast majority of Marines I served with were not like this at all. Those who were were usually just immature or felt that they had something to prove. I think the same can be said of the Army or any other branch of service. Perhaps you've had different experiences than I have, though.What gets me is the marines always trying to outdo army to set themselves apart and then blow smoke up peoples ass about it.
There are still some, though many have been withdrawn. Part of the reason the Army is in "more" action is due to the parts of Iraq they are operating in. The Marines were operating south of Baghdad, which appears to be a safer area for Americans to be in. Also, one must remember that at the height of the war, there were 4 or 5 times as many soldiers in Iraq as there were Marines.Don't want to change the facts, but are there any marines in Iraq now (I really don't know)? It seems that army and national guard, who are scheduled to take over the active for the rest of the time there, are taking more hits, which also tells me they are more on the streets and on the front lines.
The Marine Corps and the Army, while similar, have different missions.
The Army's mission is:
- U.S. Code 10 B I 307 sec3062(1)preserving the peace and security, and providing for the defense, of the United States, the Territories, Commonwealths, and possessions, and any areas occupied by the United States;
(2) supporting the national policies;
(3) implementing the national objectives; and
(4) overcoming any nations responsible for aggressive acts that imperil the peace and security of the United States.
The Marine Corps Mission:
US Code 10 C I 507 sec. 5063.The Marine Corps shall be organized, trained, and equipped to provide fleet marine forces of combined arms, together with supporting air components, for service with the fleet in the seizure or defense of advanced naval bases and for the conduct of such land operations as may be essential to the prosecution of a naval campaign. In addition, the Marine Corps shall provide detachments and organizations for service on armed vessels of the Navy, shall provide security detachments for the protection of naval property at naval stations and bases, and shall perform such other duties as the President may direct.
The Marine Corps has never been meant to undertake long land campaigns or occupy territory. The Marines go in, take care of business, and get out to prepare for the next time action is needed.
Thanks James, I wasn't sure about that.There are still some, though many have been withdrawn. Part of the reason the Army is in "more" action is due to the parts of Iraq they are operating in.
I guess the problem is that potential recruits from the beginning join something that they think sets them apart, something special compared to the rest (which I agree Marines are unique in their ways and I thought about joining them too), but that mentality will be there for the rest of their life, and they might even look down on other soldiers. Am I wrong?
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