no flame intended too!
the one with the croatian flag,(don't remember the name),really,no flame,but there were bosnian serbs and bosnian croats in the BiH army,NO FLAME INTENDING really,as there were muslim guys in HVO.REALLY,FLAMING IS THE LAST THING I WANT,but I'm not the only one to say that.
Originally Posted by mountainbear
Are you surprised!
Yes it’s an old Swiss camo. You should see how many Albanian Kosovo peoples where in Swiss military surplus shops in 1999.
Isn’t it a Steyr Elite rifle?
Btw Swiss army is currently burning tons of these surplus, because authorities don't want to see anymore this camo worn by people having cut heads in their hands.
I think this is a more recent picture than the wars in Bosnia between 91-96. There were organised forces as well as the gangs such as the Bosnian Serb Army and the army of BiH but I think a lot more of the anarchy and killings can be attributed to gangs. Although some people feel a sympathy and admiration with Arkan's Volunteer Guard, he himself was not a soldier or held rank in the army of Yugoslavia or Serbia. He suddenly became Commandant Arkan and leader of I don't know how many men in his Guard.This looks rather organized to me:
In a smaller scale there all sorts of armed militias with teenagers smoking pot and shooting guns all over the place.
What cind of rifle is he holding? anyobe see, almost looks like a sig, but the mag make it look like a 7,62 rifle
It almost looks like swedish camo, and the belt and the rest... and the rifle looks more like ww2 anti-tank rifle than a modern anti-material rifle. Whatever the difference is beyond usage. Could be a un dude posing with stuff they siezed.
Thats arkans men hitting the dead guy
Re: no flame intended too!
I am not trying to say you want to flame, but it might be very sensitive to people here if they feel their identity is doubted. If I was a Serb that was born and lived all my life in Bosnia, I wouldn't want to be denied the identity of a Bosnian and apply that only to Muslims.
I find very hard to believe that there would be Bosnian Serbs in the BiH army at the time of the war. Were they shooting at their fellow Serbs of the Bosnian Serb army then?
I believe this rifle is a SAR 80 from Singapore, same company as the Ultimax 100 light machinegun, although I'm not totally sure.
regards
Upfrontreporting
sierraone I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT's HARD TO BELIEVE IT BUT:
we(bosnians) don't love to call ourselves muslims because
muslim is a religious term and a lot of us do not follow any religion,
about your question if they were shooting they fellow serbs the answer is again yes,because there were serbs who felt that serbia wasn't the democratic one from where they came a lot of time ago after all the atrocities they had seen,I WOULD SAY ONLY Bulls**** if I'd say there were a lot of them,but there were some
If it's true, they were traitors and nothing but.
I mean, I read the story of the Bosniak who fought for RS during the war because he thought he was fighting to keep Yugoslavia alive, but what kind of self-respecting Serb would fight for BiH?
Traitor! Or person born to a mixed couple.
If the latter, then it's especially sickening. How can one take up arms against the people of his father OR his mother? Most of the mixed heritage children stayed neutral or left the country, as they were supposed to do, in my opinion.
Lokos
Im from Croatia.svaštaa Sarajevo, Orašje, srednja Bosna?? You are not from Croatia are you?
But what were their numbers? I mean if there was one croat on 100 bosniaks, you cant really call it having croats in BiH army....
Same goes for the serbs. Makes no sense. Croats/serbs in BiH army would fight against their own? And taking all the genocide like Ahmici and Srebrenica into considiration.....
When the war started i know there were bosniaks in HVO. Later they left to a newly formed army of BiH.... then the muslim vs croat war began.
I think(???) that pic is from the 90-ties period....I think this is a more recent picture than the wars in Bosnia between 91-96. There were organised forces as well as the gangs such as the Bosnian Serb Army and the army of BiH but I think a lot more of the anarchy and killings can be attributed to gangs. Although some people feel a sympathy and admiration with Arkan's Volunteer Guard, he himself was not a soldier or held rank in the army of Yugoslavia or Serbia. He suddenly became Commandant Arkan and leader of I don't know how many men in his Guard.This looks rather organized to me:
In a smaller scale there all sorts of armed militias with teenagers smoking pot and shooting guns all over the place.
And you are right about bosnia. It was anarchy.
The bosnian war began for the reason noone felt Bosnian!!!
Croats wanted their areas to be incorporated into Croatia(southern areas like Hercegovina moastly).
Serbs wanted their areas added to Serbia.
"Bosniaks" saw they were gonna get screwd and *bang* sh*t hit the fan.
I myself use the term "muslim" to indentify bosniaks in this form only for easyer understanding.
Here you would never call a bosnian croat a bosniak.
In Croatia the term bosniak strictly means bosnian muslim.
I agree there were some, but that cant be applied to say there were croats and serbs in BiH army.
By that logic you can say croatian army had dutch, czech, german, british, irish, .... soldiers in their ranks.
We would be the friggin U.N. then
We did have them but their numbers are not worth to mention. Cro army was like it says---> CROATIAN army.
Yes Lokos,traitors.They betrayed those who didn't want to hear the word Muslim or Croat.Dado,yes,the croat in the BiH army were really small,they were croats who felt bosnians,but the serbs in the army were more than the croats,still GREATLY LESSER than the bosniaks(but more and more then the non croats in the HV) cuz they felt bosnians too.Particulary in the battalions near Sarajevo.
But if you don't trust me really I have no intention provocate you,so keep your ideas,no problem.Oh,btw
I'd rather say the war started when JNA's troops entered in Bosnia to support the serbs in there.And then the **** began.The bosnian war began for the reason noone felt Bosnian!!!
Croats wanted their areas to be incorporated into Croatia(southern areas like Hercegovina moastly).
Serbs wanted their areas added to Serbia.
"Bosniaks" saw they were gonna get screwd and *bang* sh*t hit the fan.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a Serb general who chose to defend Sarajevo against VRS attack (Bosnian Serb Army)? I think the name was Kukanjac or something like that, the person was featured in a French documentary called "Bosna".
regards
Upfrontreporting
So, is there any official list of "Serbs in muslim Army"?
Actually Muslims attacked Kukanjac's convoy. I opened new topic about it:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...56094a7#780052
A seriously wounded Serb policemen clenches his fist in pain, during a clash with ethnic Albanian terrorist
A Serb trooper runs for cover behind a Yugoslav army T-55 tank after fighting erupted with the Kosovo Liberation Army outside Bukos, Kosovo
Re: no flame intended too!
escpecially there were moslem/bosnjaci in HOS
JNA officer's never had a nice word for Arkan and his tiger's... more on that i book of Milisav Sekulic serbian general SVK "Krajina fell in Belgrade" 2000.
Re: no flame intended too!
you must not see that war as a war betwen serbs-croatian-moslems/bosniaks.. a number of serb's didn't belive in a Great Serbia.. just from my street to serb's gave their live's fighting in Croatia Army.. (one of them was sloughter by the serb's in Bosanska Posavina in summer of 1992)
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