Pictures from Yugoslav civil war 91-99

[Lokos]

The members of the Serb fascist forces....

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Was it the Bosniaks who fought against the German fascists in 1941-1945? Wait, I seem to recall it was you guys who actually, you know, constituted an entire SS division and carried out genocide and ethnic cleansing of ethnic Serbs in Bosnia during WW2. But, of course, *we're* the fascists. Yeah... Right...

Cro-mag:

You're seriously going to talk to me about the Yugoslav constitution?

This is the bottom line, sunshine: If you support the Kosovars, you should have also supported Krajina's Serbs. Simple as that. Otherwise, you're just a hateful little hypocrite.

Inquisitor:

As I have stated, any Serb who fought against Serbs is a traitor, and deserved death - and I'm glad to hear that your examples got exactly what they deserved. Objectively, I can say that they must of had their reasons and that they're people just like anyone else. But, personally, it makes me sick to my stomach.

Moj narod ne dozvoljava djukele da nose Srpski identitet. Svinje takve samo zasluzuju smrt i mrznju.

Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava.

Lokos

[Upfrontreporting]

Was it the Bosniaks who fought against the German fascists in 1941-1945? Wait, I seem to recall it was you guys who actually, you know, constituted an entire SS division and carried out genocide and ethnic cleansing of ethnic Serbs in Bosnia during WW2. But, of course, *we're* the fascists. Yeah... Right...

Oh... yeah and the chetniks didn't do a lot of cooperation with the nazis against the communist resistance? I remember haiving seen a ****load of chetnik/nazi poser pics.

It ain't black and white, more like grey and grey!


BHM,
Thank you for answering my question.


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Upfrontreporting

[sierraone]

It ain't black and white, more like grey and grey!

Sums up the whole Balkan wars that statement. It boils to what I said earlier. Everyone had their own agenda.

The biggest crime was the knee-jerk reactions of the world community, the UN, the EU their inability to take a decision and when they did take the wrong one. Biggest crime is the stupidity and naivety of the United States foreign policy. Their passion of picking the 'good guy' and the 'bad guy' as if the Balkans is a Hollywood movie.

So who where the good guys and who where the bad guys?

yep sums it up.

[Metak]

Bosnia was not chaos it is very simple it was naked agression by Serbia and Croatia.

It wasn't.
Those were local Serbs and Croats which lived in Bosnia.

DO not fall on stories of Islamic fundamentalism and such stupid tales.

I don't think so
The fact is that president Izetbegovic wrote Islamic Declaration which says "There can be no peace or coexistence between the "Islamic faith" and non- Islamic societies and political institutions. ... Islam clearly excludes the right and possibility of activity of any strange ideology on its own turf" and "FOR ALL MUSLIMS THERE IS BUT ONE SOLUTION: TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT, TO STRENGTHEN AND BROADEN IT, FROM DAY TO DAY, FROM YEAR TO YEAR, NO MATTER THE VICTIMS AND NO MATTER THE TIME". Also, he said that Bosnia will be indenpendent even it the war is price for it.

[BHM]

The members of the Serb fascist forces....

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Was it the Bosniaks who fought against the German fascists in 1941-1945?

Yes mister my own fathers father as matter of fact, he joind the partizans in 41 not in 44 as many chetniks did, and becouse of that Ustase have taken two of his brothers and deported them to Stara Gradiska Prison camp, my grandfather never ever have seen them again. And in town where I come from (Mostar), every second street have been named after bosniaks who fell as members of partizans.

By the way "Himmler`s Bosnian Division" George Lepre US print from 97:
Page 15-16
Quote:
"Despite Pavelic`s assurances of equality, it wasn`t long before many Bosnian muslim became dissatisfied with Croatian rule. "not one single Muslim" complaind an Islamic leader "occupied an influental post in the local administration. Even worse was the fierce fighting that broke out between goverment forces and their allies on one side, the Partisans on another, and the Chetniks and their allies on third. A number of Ustasa units belived the muslims to be communists sympathizers and burned their villages and mudred civilians, while the chetniks accused them of taking part in Croatian anti Orotdox excesses and preformed simmilar atrocities."

"the new Croatian state was storngly chatolic in character, and the fate of Bosnian muslims was of little intress to many of its leading ecclestiastics. The bishop of Sarajevo was heard to say that " a third of the Muslims will be killed by Chetniks, third will perish as refugees, and the rest will then be redy (for conversion) for Chuch. One geman source states that by 1943, over 100.000 nuslims had been killed and 250.000 were refugges."

"There was was in fact one circle of prominent Muslims that favored political autonomy under the German military protection led by Spaho-disciple Uzeiraga Hadzihasanovic. By the late 1942 the desperate situation in the area led these autonomists, who had previously staked their hopes on the militia to belive that there was no alternative but to activly seek German assistance. A formal appeal askíng German goverment to annex Bosnia and afforde the muslims protection was drfted on 1 novembar and snt to Berlin
It is safe to say that bosniaks have seen creating of SS division as a way to arm themselvs and defend against Chetniks and NDH state"

Nazis my ass?!?

[BHM]

Bosnia was not chaos it is very simple it was naked agression by Serbia and Croatia.

It wasn't.
Those were local Serbs and Croats which lived in Bosnia.

DO not fall on stories of Islamic fundamentalism and such stupid tales.

I don't think so
The fact is that president Izetbegovic wrote Islamic Declaration which says "There can be no peace or coexistence between the "Islamic faith" and non- Islamic societies and political institutions. ... Islam clearly excludes the right and possibility of activity of any strange ideology on its own turf" and "FOR ALL MUSLIMS THERE IS BUT ONE SOLUTION: TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT, TO STRENGTHEN AND BROADEN IT, FROM DAY TO DAY, FROM YEAR TO YEAR, NO MATTER THE VICTIMS AND NO MATTER THE TIME". Also, he said that Bosnia will be indenpendent even it the war is price for it.

Really Momcilo Perisic army general who have bombed my town, he was head of Yugoslav Army he was not born in bosnia, all members and officer of so called serbian republic have been payed from Belgrade, in action aroun Srebrenica(if one can call that an "action"), artillery was used from Serbian side of Drina that is confirmed by UN forces on the ground, on Belgrade tv im May 92 I heard following: Units of Uzice corps have seccured Visegrad today. Please Where is Uzice not in Bosnia, but maybe in Bulgaria not in Serbia of course. War in bosnia was not agression of Serbia but war in Kosovo was agression by Albania on Serbia heheh oh really! And again in action in September and August 93 in fighthings south of Mostar in villages Gnojnice and Dracevice 80 bodies of Croats solider remaind on bosnian side all of them Croatian army regulars from Zadar and sibenik brigades their goverment told their families they died fighting serbs in Maslenica action.

By the way Alija got many prices for peace and won recognition in world while Slobo got sanctions and a bench in Hague.

[BHM]

It ain't black and white, more like grey and grey!

Sums up the whole Balkan wars that statement. It boils to what I said earlier. Everyone had their own agenda.

The biggest crime was the knee-jerk reactions of the world community, the UN, the EU their inability to take a decision and when they did take the wrong one. Biggest crime is the stupidity and naivety of the United States foreign policy. Their passion of picking the 'good guy' and the 'bad guy' as if the Balkans is a Hollywood movie.

So who where the good guys and who where the bad guys?

yep sums it up.

HMh point is there is no chance that you serbs can cover your crimes and only way to make yourselvs feel good is to say everibody is quilty. And yes, US was naive they belived your lies for some time, they should have bombed serbia when serbs they attacked Croatia that way Bosnian and Kosovo war would never happen. But I must say taht you serbs did made some progress in your heads, before was a story like just Serbs are right. Now you say we are all wrong well that is something, I am afraid it will take some time until you finaly admitt what you did.

[Upfrontreporting]

But I must say taht you serbs did made some progress in your heads, before was a story like just Serbs are right. Now you say we are all wrong well that is something, I am afraid it will take some time until you finaly admitt what you did.

Are you calling me a Serb I'm Danish, I was with the UN, IFOR and KFOR, so I believe I'm in a position where I can deliver an informed view on this subject also, I have interacted with good and bad guys on all four sides (bad guys being nationalist assholes and politicians).




regards
Upfrontreporting

[cro-mag]

And on the end some fact.
Who was a good and bad hahahahhahah.

OK

It is like asking in the begining of second world war when Germany and Russia attacked Poland and divide it . Who are bad? Polish solider and people maybe?!?

e pa Mujice Bosnia isn't/wasn't state of Bosnian moslems.. or newborn Bosniak nation... prodajes muda pod bubrege

[cro-mag]

check the goverment anh high command staff... liar

[Inquisitor]

cro-mag I don't understand your reply...if you intend as a"muslim state" a state where everyone shoots at first sight all non-muslims then it never was and so isn't now,and BHM never said it was/is.Even in Turk occupation in bosnia all three religions lived together with no problems...Maybe you don't know this,but when in the XIX century Bosnia rebelled against Turks,the Leader of Bosnians was Husein Kapetan Gradascevic,a muslim,who fought against fellows of his own religion...oh,btw he founded the first catholic school in bosnia...don't say bull****s(not you mag,but don't remember who it was) about islamic fundamentalists,never been in THE FEARED MUSLIM STRONGHOLD of Sarajevo?you think girls are face-covered?you think we use arabic?you think we don't have churches?we even orthodox churches...btw,and a Jewish temple too...

Locos,a lot of "traitors" are now peacfully living in the federation with bosnia in their heart,and they will teach their children they are bosnians too

Yeah,your "sloga" raped 7-years old girls...

[Metak]

Name is Jovan Divjak and he is born in Serbia.

Hmm, I remember that I have read in newspaper about Croat Divjak who fought for Muslims in Bosnia. He was talking about some problems with ammo shortage. Maybe I'm wrong?

Really Momcilo Perisic army general who have bombed my town, he was head of Yugoslav Army he was not born in bosnia, all members and officer of so called serbian republic have been payed from Belgrade, in action aroun Srebrenica(if one can call that an "action"), artillery was used from Serbian side of Drina that is confirmed by UN forces on the ground, on Belgrade tv im May 92 I heard following: Units of Uzice corps have seccured Visegrad today. Please Where is Uzice not in Bosnia, but maybe in Bulgaria not in Serbia of course.

Do you realize that it was still Yugoslavia and JNA then? Some units from Serbia moved to Bosnia - so it was movement of units from one part of Yugoslavia to the other part.
One more thing - you said this is tread for photos only, but you are the one who is arguing all the time.

[Inquisitor]

He didn't start first,me,you everybody would answer on any BS spoken from the mouth of others...

[shadower]

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/051.shtml

And Savich or Savic is very very independent source .

His sources are
Cohen, Roger. Hearts Grown Brutal: Sagas of Sarajevo. NY: Random House, 1998.

Honig, Jan Willem, and Norbert Both. Srebrenica: Record of a War Crime. NY: Penguin Books, 1996.

Jovanovic, Drago, and Gordana Bundalo and Milos Govedarica, eds. The Eradication of Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina, 1992-1993. Belgrade: IP RAD, 1995.

Rohde, David. Endgame: The Betrayal and Fall of Srebrenica, Europe’s Worst Massacre Since World War II. NY: Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 1997.

Sudetic, Chuck. Blood and Vengeance: One Family’s Story of the War in Bosnia. NY: W.W. Norton, 1998.

[BHM]

Yes I started the thread thinkin it will work for once, but no I just could not stand it anymore listening to bull ****.

And "shadower" Just try to post some non serbian links it is much more credible.

So Metak Yugoslav army and Serbian army are not one and the same I am talking about Yugoslav army after 1991 . One more thing in 94 NATO bombed udbina becuse airplanes attacked bihac from that airfield. Udbina is in Croatia that time under ocupation by yet anothet "independent" serbian state Krajina. Mladic was reciving paychek from Belgrade all the time not to mention that he comanded JNA forces in Croatia also, same guy same army only deference he changed red star with white eagle on the uniform .

and mister "Cro- mag" go by book of stenogroams of your late president Tudman you will be shocked, and bosnians never ever said that bosnia is only for Bosnian Muslims, If croatian Republic in Bosnia is OK then serbian in Croatia is also OK. And croat republic was a first step to anexs parts of Bosnia as your late president agreed with Slobo. I do not have to tell you that, Croatian state TV told the same in numerous programs in last years since death of Tudman. Or you belive that your actual President Mesic and your own HRT (croatian radio televison) are lying.

Prije neki dan jednu knjigu je izdao feral "stenogrami" pa malo procitaj sta je Njofra dogovarao sa tipom sto je srusio Vukovar. Bice da su tvoji tebi prodavali muda za bubrege.....