Thats simpy not true. Show me where there was a call "multiply at all political levels" to bring the troops back. You are simply talking out of your ass, sorry.Originally Posted by Breakfast in Vegas
Believe it or not, it happens, and not just in a handful of events. Just because you don't read about it in the news doesn't mean there is nothing happening.
Miss the recent Bundestag debate? Mission extended, but plenty of doubters.
Perhaps they are doing more fighting than I am aware of... it's pretty impossible to follow their mission scope from here... as we certainly aren't hearing about it in the press unless they are desecrating graves and posing with dead bodies. I personally doubt the mission would "survive" a rash of casualties involved from fighting. Political support for the mission would fall apart quickly.
So now its just "plenty of doubters" instead of "multiply at all political levels"... ?
In the Bundestags there have been 436 votes for the extend of "Enduring Freedom" and 101 against it. And that was for the "Enduring Freedom"-Mandate under which the combat-deplyoment of the KSK are made, not even the ISAF-Mandate.
There was more debate than the final vote reflects within CDU and SPD and you know that. This much debate even though the Bundeswehr hasn't seen any combat beyond responding to IEDs and convoy attacks, dodging occasional rocket and mortar attacks on the base etc. Not dissing the troops, but they are hardly as actively involved in combating the Taliban as the US, Canadians, English or Dutch. If you've got better sources than me on Bundeswehr missions and activities that express something to the contrary, I'd be happy to hear about them.
I defer my argument until a few casualties do roll in. Let's see how much the support the mission has then. I'm really interested if the German government has the stomach to take on increased international responsibility. Bin mehr als skeptisch.
Somebody saw the documentary on ARD yesterday?
I did. They mainly named the issue. Showed soldiers that were wounded by IED attacks or of soldiers that weren't able to cope with the many severly wounded and dead.
It wasn't the best documentary, frankly said. They failed to show the other side of the medal.
Actually one soldier said that he will refuse from now on to go abroad because he experienced so many bad things. Who does he think he is? Does he really think he can decide where he goes and where not? He is a soldier. Others decide where he's being sent. This guy really made me mad throughout the whole documentary.
All in all it's not worth watching it, Weasel.
Ben
The Dutch lost 3 men, the Danes also 3. Germany lost 18 men and they didnt shoot each other while taking a dump. May all KIAs rest in peace.
If you have no clue about whats going on, stop thinking about what could go on.
I heard some stuff about Dutch air support and general stuff. I dont want to start a flame war but I hate it if Germany is always displayed as a bunch off assheads.
Well you can. Its possible to refuse. I know a guy, he volunteered to stay longer as the 9 months draft and they wanted to send him to Bosnia. He refused and stayed at home.
These persons suck, volunteered, signed the contract and refused to do their job. I finish school in a few months and I'll volunteer. If they call for me, I'll go.
I just love this little tank.
What is the other side of the medal?
A free country. Nobody will force him to go abroad.
I found it really interesting. Showed arguments soldiers should think about before signing the contract.
Well what I wrote afterwards. That they are soldiers who know they can be sent anywhere in the world when German, EU or UN interests are affected. That's what they have signed.
Strange soldier not willing to go abroad. Taking salaries from his country but not willing to give anything back when he is needed most... Bad taste, if you ask me.A free country. Nobody will force him to go abroad.
Right. Why did you ask if you've seen it yourself? I could have spared my 1st post thenI found it really interesting. Showed arguments soldiers should think about before signing the contract.
Ben
Too bad nobody really knows how german troops defend Germany at the Hindukusch.
Bad taste or not. Isnīt this usual? Look at all those politicians and managers.
Wanted to hear some thoughts about it.Right. Why did you ask if you've seen it yourself? I could have spared my 1st post then
Ben
As I wrote before I think it is an interesting docu. Maybe some viewers learned something about the Bundeswehr they didn't know before.
The soldier that refused to go abroad was the first german soldier severely wounded abroad after WW2 right?
He didn't see a mine and stepped on it and now his left foot is crippled. If he had gone abroad after the accident when he had the chance he would have had to sent other soldiers to clean mines. I think that is what stops him.
But I understand you as well. Being sent to places where noone wants to go is also a part of being a soldier.
No, I believe that was a Medic who was shot (Killed) while doing a foot patrol in Somalia.
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