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    @weasel

    To me as a non military citizen it's important they get their job done. I don't care what they look like, they don't need to look like they receive an award in combat.

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    @ variable

    I am pretty sure that you in your job are not allowed to use private equipment, to refuse a helmet during riots, to look individuell among your colleagues and to wear moral patches.

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    Privately purchased equipment (Boots, mouth protection, leg protectors, flashlights, gloves, etc...) can be used. No problem here. The uniform itself shall not be changed. Of course the patches would be a no-no here. But that's Germany. I'm rather sure as soon as these guys board a plane home all the patches come off.

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    Why the difference between Germany and not-Germany? They are representing Germany!

    PS: I guess it´s not the right place to discuss this here. We better stop this.

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    Right you are.

    So here something soon to be seen in Afghanistan:

    LAPV "Enok" to replace the G-Wagons:

    Quote Originally Posted by DefenceTalk
    KOBLENZ, Germany: Daimler AG has handed over the first series-production example of the Mercedes-Benz LAPV 5.4, military designation ENOK, to the Federal Office of Defence Technology and Procurement (BWB) and the army on the premises of the company-owned Mercedes-Benz sales and service outlet in Koblenz.
    Procurement of these vehicles is part of the BWB project "Protected command and functional vehicle, Class 1". Their operational purpose is personnel transport and use as a carrier for a wide variety of military equipment. The compact exterior dimensions of the vehicle are a decisive advantage in this regard.
    With the ENOK/LAPV 5.4, Mercedes-Benz is demonstrating its expertise in highly maneuverable, highly protected all-terrain vehicles at a new level. The three parameters of agility, protection and payload define the magic triangle that Mercedes-Benz has realised to perfection with this vehicle.
    In standard specification the vehicles provide protection against ballistic threats and mines/IEDs according to STANAG/NATO standards (extended anti-mine protection is available as an option).
    The powertrain of the ENOK/LAPV 5.4 is based on that of ther existing Mercedes-Benz G 280CDI off-road vehicle with special protection, which ensures the best possible supply logistics. The engine develops an output of 135 kW/184 hp and 400 Nm of torque at 1600 – 2600 rpm, with power transferred to the four wheels via a 5-speed automatic transmission with an integrated reduction gear and three fully engageable differential locks. This makes the vehicle particularly suitable for operations on extremely difficult terrain.
    The vehicle is available in two variants: with five doors and fully armoured crew and cargo compartments, or with four doors and an armoured crew compartment and unprotected rear body structure.
    With a payload of 930 kg and an operating range of approx. 700 km, a four-man crew is able to operate without support for several days.
    45 vehicles have been ordered to date, and will be delivered to the BWB (Königswinter depot) by the end of 2010. The army is planning to take the vehicles into operation for the protection of its soldiers in Afghanistan in early 2011. Procurement of a further 100 vehicles is planned for 2011 and 2012.
















    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEoNj...layer_embedded
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    Nanu? What do I see there? The new IdZ stock for the G36, or has it just been completely taped by the soldier?

    As for the soldiers' appearance, I don't know what's the problem. As long as it gets the job done.

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    Looks taped to me.

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    The Enok is nice, but 5.4 to? Hope the weight is worth the extra protection.


    Quote Originally Posted by Steak-Sauce View Post
    As for the soldiers' appearance, I don't know what's the problem. As long as it gets the job done.
    Appearance is one thing, protection is another. (no helmet for the crew of the Spz)

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    Give me a rest, Weasel.
    You're always complaining about non-issued equipment - and in just the next sentence you complain about vehicle crews not wearing helmets. This is just the f'cking dilemma we are facing. There simply is no helmet issued with earphones+microphone and connection to vehicle comms. Crews have to decide wether they were unprotected headsets with the benefit of being able to communicate or wear a plain simple helmet w/o comms, except for the few dozen issued headset that can be worn with the helmet but offer no ear protection.

    Or buy your own ***** that you mustn't wear because you represent Germany at the back of beyond...

    These guys made the right choice. Wirkung vor Deckung, might ring a bell. And once the fighting begins, hatches are being closed and thankfully you can't see what anyone wears on his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hOMEr_jAy View Post
    Jajaja, I get it, noone likes Kettenhunde, so they´re automatically doing everything wrong...that whole picture looks staged anyway, and if they have enough time to pose like that for the press there won´t be an imminent threat waiting...I´m fairly sure that guy knows how to handle his rifle, especially because he´s in Kunduz...
    I don't care to which unit the officer belongs. That "trageweise" is simply ****ed up. Compare it to how every other shown soldier does it. Whatever...lets not start the Kettenhunde discussion.

    Ah...that you are in Kunduz does not mean that you are a good soldier in general. Hauptmaenner tend to forget how to do things because they do mostly other stuff back home.

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    Just look at that photo. Of course his "Tragesweise" is ****ed up. That whole pic looks so staged, both soldiers look like life-size Revell plastic models. He has only two hands so it´s just normal that his rifle is haning down next to his body. But I´m fairly sure that this photo was taken in a relatively safe environment to please the photographer.
    Being in Kunduz alone doesn´t make you a good soldier but these guys know where they´re going and believe it or not, Feldjaeger aren´t just chilling in their MP station, they go out and take fire, too. Therefore I can´t imagine that even though he´s a Hptm he doesn´t know how to handle a rifle. You know, there´s atleast a certain amount of training before deployment and I´m sure he´s smart enough to train that before going to former Bad Kunduz...
    Long story, short: Don´t judge a soldiers skills by one photo which also looks staged as hell...

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    A German Bundeswehr army soldier with the Delta platoon of the 2nd Paratrooper company 373 casts a shadow on a wall during a mission in Aqtappeh, north-west of Kunduz, northern Afghanistan, December 12, 2010.
    German Bundeswehr army soldiers with the Delta platoon of the 2nd Paratrooper company 373 gather on a combat outpost of the local Abaki militia during a mission in Aqtappeh, north-west of Kunduz, northern Afghanistan, December 12, 2010.

    Note the second G3 in the CQB-role.... Cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by variable View Post
    Note the second G3 in the CQB-role.... Cool.
    Agreed! Thanks for the pics.
    More and more G3s are finding their way to Afghanistan. Would be interesting to read some field reports on how the "old" rifle compares to the "new" one in this environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hOMEr_jAy View Post
    Long story, short: Don´t judge a soldiers skills by one photo which also looks staged as hell...
    I could add the other photo where he walks on that road. But anyway, this topic is for photos, not discussion.

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    weasel:
    uhm... it feels great to be able to wear whatever I think is comfy,
    and good for me and my job.



    ... or maybe Zulu261 and me just joined the right unit

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