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Thread: Afghanistan - Germany's contingent (56k be gone) !!!

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    Can't I simply beg to differ in technical issues?

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    The left guy is a reporter

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    Quote Originally Posted by baker View Post


    WTF? who is the guy on the left?
    He is a reporter.

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    And a member here. He has a photo album here (or at least he had one).

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    US and German troops at the practice range somewhere in Northern Afghanistan, six MG3 included...

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd2_1226231408

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    Haha, nice!

    "Fi- *drrrrrrrrrrrr*-*drr*-*drrrrrrrrrrr*"

    "yeehaa!" xD

    the MG3 has to be one of the best 7.62mm MGs.

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    wow this is like music in my ears

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    An Afghan soldier walks past a damaged German military vehicle after a suicide blast in Baghlan November 16, 2008. A suicide bomber rammed a car into a convoy of German troops from a NATO-led force in the northern province of Baghlan on Sunday, killing one civilian and wounding 12 civilians and two German soldiers, police said. by *******
    R.I.P. to the killed and a quick recovery to the wounded.

    €: Yup, thanks He219!
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    A German solider inspects the damaged vehicle belonging to German International Security Assistance Force is seen near the site after a suicide attack on a NATO convey in Baghlan, Afghanistan, Sunday, Nov. 16, 2008. A suicide car bomber on Sunday struck a NATO convoy in the northern Baghlan province, killing one civilian and wounding 12 other people, officials said. Two NATO soldiers were among the wounded, said a spokesman for the force, who spoke on customary condition of anonymity.

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    Though, the Fuchs seemes to have held up quite good against the Bomb.
    Was there a KWS applied to the Fuchs' ?
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    Yes, it carried Mexas armour.
    Also note the very latest update on the other Fuchs in the second picture and the SanFuchs in the 3rd picture! Good to see it in theatre, I wish we would spent more money on upgrading real APCs instead of introducing craploads of different, combat-worthless Dingos, Eagles, Duros and so on!




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    Well I wouldnt call the Dingo worthless, its a fine vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim292 View Post
    Yes, it carried Mexas armour.
    Also note the very latest update on the other Fuchs in the second picture and the SanFuchs in the 3rd picture! Good to see it in theatre, I wish we would spent more money on upgrading real APCs instead of introducing craploads of different, combat-worthless Dingos, Eagles, Duros and so on!
    The Dingo have a much better protected cell than every fox.

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    Especially against mines. We saw what happend as that Dingo drove over stacked Mines, the engine was completely blown away and everything was brunt but the hull was still intact!

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    I know about the better protection of the Dingo. Still, I disagree with the whole concept of Dingo/Eagle. The Duro, I agree, might be a different matter and is quite a usefull vehicle.

    First of, the RCWS on all vehicles decreases situational awareness a whole lot. Nothing beats manned machine guns when it comes to sit.awareness and the possibility to quickly engage on the move!

    Secondly, Dingo doesn't even offer more than one hatchet in the roof. Emergency exits, shooting out of hatchets and communication with the outside is barely possibly.

    Thirdly, and most importantly is patrol setup.
    For instance:
    one force protection platoon, a Cimic team, a BAT, a bunch of WBV 'soldiers' for shopping

    Now, cram all those people into 'their' vehicles..
    FP Platoon: 3squads, 2 Dingos each, 1 c2 dingo for the platoon commander
    Cimic team: 1 eagle/wolf
    BAT: 1vehicle
    WBV: another Dingo
    That's a total of 8 Dingos and 2 other vehicles, column length of well above 300meters. It's just hard to control, ineffective to lead and has a much higher chance of one vehicle breaking down and halting the column.

    I always preferred small setups:
    f.e. my FP platoon in 3 Füchsen, the Wbv/comic guys and my platoon leading section in another Fuchs(no need to use a c2 version..) and the BAT in their own vehicle. It's tight, easy to control and I just have one combat ineffective vehicle in my column, the column has half the size and twice the speed.

    A Fuchs offers significantly better mobility over a Dingo and it practically has the same size.

    Dont get me wrong, I'm all in love with Dingos good level of protection - but not at that price.
    I rather have 10 soldiers in one less protected vehicle with way better situational awareness than 5 perfectly sheltered soldiers in 2 vehicles, slow to move and respond and totally isolated from the world outside.

    Scrap the GFF, concentrate on:
    Wolf MSA, Mungos and Wiesel for airborne
    Wolf SSA, Fuchs and Fuchs with a 20-30mm BMK
    Wolf SSA, Boxer and Boxer with 30mm BMK
    That simple.

    Edit: Oh, and I'm totally aware that this is never going to happen with the Bundeswehr. Props to the French with their VABs, armed VAPs and VBLs.

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