Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by PSTIEDJ
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Can I suggest you drag your head out of your arse before spouting **** - you might drown in it.
Snipers in WW2
In WW2 russian and germans promoted some of their snipers to major or even lt. colonel. Today it is not even possible, few guys even got 400+ confirmed kills. The most famous of them is Simo Häyhä, who got 500+ confirmed kills.
Snipers didn't have any controlled training those days so they had to train themselves. American's started intensive sniper training shortly after vietnam war started.
Re: Snipers in WW2
Welcome to planet earth.
Can I suggest you drag your head out of your arse before spouting **** - you might drown in it.
Simo Hayha was Finnish, not German or Russian.
What part you disagree?
I know he was Finnish. I've read his book.
Formal sniper training in both the British and German armed forces goes back to WWI.
It could be argued that the sharpshooter concept goes back to the evolution of the rifled barrel. In the British case with the raising of the 95th Rifles by Gen Sir John Moore in the early 1800's, itself based on the use of marine sharpshooters by all the major western navies in the mid to late 1700's.
Sniping as a word comes from the English gamekeepers who hunted Snipe in East Anglia, again in the 1800's.
The Ghillie suit worn by modern snipers is based on the tweed suits worn by Scotish Ghillies (hunting guides) serving in WWI with the Highland Regiments.
few guys even got 400+ confirmed kills
Wow, would you please provide your source.
Anyhow, Vasilij Zaitsev is the coolest: 243 shots = 242 dead german officers(he never shot soldiers) and a movie dealBTW it was one of the most retarted movies I've ever seen.
http://www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm
also note Sulo Kolkka (Finish)...apparently he had 400 kills with a rifle, and another 200 with a smg... pretty hardcore if u ask me
btw did u know that Hayha and Kolkka both just used regular rifles without optics? they had some 1-shot kills at 500 meters with just plain ironsights... (btw i suppose that goes for several other on the list as well, being a sniper doesnt mean they did to get a badass scope)
There have been sniper schools in Canada, U.K., and U.S. since WW1.
Now, I've heard that some of these kills for Mr. Vasilij Zaitsev were unconfirmed, please note that this is again something as "hear say".
Basically, Mr Zaitsev was excellent but some of the kills he got were "added" by the Russian propaganda machine, basicly for the concept of "The people needing heroes and Mr. Zaitsev shall be made one".
From what I read, some of the kills that Zaitsev had been rumored to have done would have been confirmed "impossible" (now don't ask me what that meant.) and/ or in some cases the soldiers that Zaitsev had supposedly eliminated were found to have been killed earlier in the war; they had possibly have been reported as Zaitsev's victims by other Russian soldiers that had been digging into the dead soldiers pockets in order to find the identification and then marking them as kills for Zaitsev.
I can't confirm any of these rumours, so do not condemn me. And besides, all of these rumours that I have heard have been in Finnish.
I can spare a link of the matter from another messageboard, unfortunately it is all in Finnish so it won't help you foreigners much.
My handle is that of an American Civil War Union Sharpshooter/sniper.
I loved that movie...Zaitsev is my hero...but Stalingrad was much better :P
Is it true that Soviet snipers in WW2 were not issued with rifles selected for their consistency and that they were fitted only with 4x scopes? If so, their scores are even more impressive!
Teres a good book coming out on Canadian sniper equipment from ww1 to present, its not printed yet but seems to be pretty good from what I've heard. www.servicepub.com (go all the way to the bottom of the page.)
"Is it true that Soviet snipers in WW2 were not issued with rifles selected for their consistency and that they were fitted only with 4x scopes?"
The rifles they were issued with were specially selected and up until recently the most powerful scope used was x4. (Current issue SVDSs and SVDs have a new 3-9 x 42 variable power scope).
Rifles used were normally Model 1891/30 rifles, but Tokarev SV-38s and SVT-40s as well as a few AVT-38s Simonov rifles were used to. Postwar the Mosin rifles were replaced by the SVD Dragunov rifle and recently the bolt action SV-99 .22lr, the bolt action SV-98 7.62 x 54mm or 9.3 x 64mm, and semi automatic SVDS and SVD-K, as well as the OSV-98 50 cal rifles have been added to the inventory. (The 50 cal rifle... actually the Russian 12.7 x 108mm... is fitted with a x13 power scope).
I thought "Enemy at the Gates" was OK... the arming soldiers with either a rifle or 5 rounds of ammo was pure BS. Yes ammo could get short, but when you sent in fresh troops they were armed... it wasn't like WWI where the Tsars had neglected small arms production and soldiers went into combat with no weapon at all and told to pick up a weapon from the battlefield.
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