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[Sayeret]

Japan did win the naval battle but it wouldn't be able to do much on land if Romanov ever got serious about it, he simply had "bigger fish to fry".

The Japanese did very well on land against the Russians:

Korean Front.
==Mar.08 > Cossacks ineffectively attack advancing Japanese troops in northern Korea at Pakchon, north of Pyongyang

Korean Front.
==early.Apr > Kuroki defeats a Russian advance force near Pyongyang in northern Korea

Manchurian Front.
==Apr.08 > A weak Japanese First Army advance guard reaches Uiju (Wiju), on the lower Yalu at the Manchurian frontier - Russian forces fail to attack

Manchurian Front.
==Apr.25-26.[night] > Japanese forces drive Russian outposts from the islands in the Yalu

http://cnparm.home.texas.net/Wars/RusJp/RusJp02.htm

In counterpoint to the Japanese strategy of gaining rapid victories to control Manchuria, Russian strategy focused on fighting delaying actions to gain time for reinforcements to arrive via the long Trans-Siberian railway. On May 1, the Battle of the Yalu River, in which Japanese troops stormed a Russian position after an unopposed crossing of the river, was the first major land battle of the war. Japanese troops proceeded to land at several points on the Manchurian coast, and fought a number of engagements driving the Russians back on Port Arthur. These battles, including the Battle of Nanshan on May 25, were marked by heavy Japanese losses attacking entrenched Russian positions, but the Russians remained passive and failed to counterattack.

Japan began a long siege of Port Arthur, which had been heavily fortified by the Russians. In August, the Russian fleet attempted to break out from Port Arthur and proceed to Vladivostok, but they were intercepted and defeated at the Battle of the Yellow Sea, and the remnant remained in Port Arthur, where they were slowly sunk by the artillery of the besieging army. Attempts to relieve the city from the land also failed, and after the Battle of Liaoyang in late August, the Russians retreated to Shenyang. Port Arthur finally fell on January 2, 1905, after a series of brutal, high-casualty assaults.

1904 Battle of Port Arthur, February 8: Japan defeats Russia
1904 Battle of Yalu River, May: Japan defeats Russia
1904 Battle of Dairen, May 30: Japan defeats Russia
1904 Battle of Liaoyang, September: Japan defeats Russia
1905 Battle of Mukden, March: Japan defeats Russia
1905 Battle of Tsushima, May: Japan defeats Russia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War

Japan lost 85,000 people and Russia lost 125,000.

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/romeo...panese1904.htm

[Lokos]

Sayeret:

If I don't like dealing with Marmot's redundant crap, what makes you think I like dealing with your slightly better organized redundant crap?

1) NEVER use onwar.com as a casualty source for anything. Okay? This is just a basic tip for future reference. I have given a source that gives ~100,000 Japanese dead in exchange for 125,000 Russian dead. And, unlike onwar.com, mine is an authorative source. But, like I said, this clouds the most important point: per capita Japanese casualties were far higher, and were unsustainable.

2) The Nazis won a lot of victories against the Soviet Union in 1941. Did they win the war? But Japanese tactical victories against the Russians are not the issue here, are they?

The issues here are as follows:

a) Did Japan DECISIVELY defeat Russia?

b) COULD Japan decisively defeat Russia?

If your answer is anything but 'no' on both accounts, you are simply a wishful-thinking laden fool in my eyes.

Yes, the Japanese fought well. Yes, they had their victories. No, they did not face the full brunt of the Russian Army. No, they would not have won if they had. No, they did not decisively defeat Russia, having triumphed against the worst troops Russia had to offer (third tier FE garrison forces). Had European theater troops arrived on time the Japanese would have been in serious, serious trouble.

Lokos

[martinexsquaddie]

having both russian fleets defeated must have come as a massive shock even though the baltic fleet was more or less a joke its only major victory being the killing of some British Fishermen

[Lokos]

Yes, the defeat of both Russian fleets was the wake up call of this war.

And it was a terrible blow to Russian prestige. Then again, the Russians were never known as a naval power. *shrug*

Lokos