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    Default Soviet NKVD - Nazi Gestapo cooperation - forgotten story

    Inspired by Soviet "famous historician" named Vladimir Putin (eks-commarade and eks-KGB...) I would like to present some historical fact which is very interesting but probably completely unknown in the world. I'm almost sure that no one from non-Polish members of this forum have ever heard about that before. Maybe except some Russian...

    [size=4][*******red]In case if someone would try to learn a history from lessons of politicians, especially those who spent their life as a tool of the totalitarian system[/color][/size]

    Everyone already know that in 1939 not only Germany invaded Poland but also the Soviet Union. The fact is that armies from both these countries cooperated those times but very intersting and shocking is that their murder squads, German Gestapo and Soviet NKVD also worked together.



    Starting from the October of 1939 there were some meetings betwen officers from NKVD and Gestapo. They took place in Polish city of Zakopane placed in the Tatra mountains, in villas "Telimena" and "Pan Tadeusz" and also in other city - Cracow.

    http://www.polandsholocaust.org/1939.html
    "December 7 - Gestapo-NKVD conference
    takes place in a Polish resort town to plan the
    joint liquidation of Polish resistance. In 1939
    the Gestapo employs 7,500 people while the
    NKVD numbers 366,000."
    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/Su...V71I6P62-1.htm
    [...]...In March-April 1940, for example, after some six months of joint occupation, the Gestapo and NKVD held an extended conference in Cracow...

    ...Apparently the NKVD methods for combating our underground were greatly admired by the Gestapo, and it was suggested that they should be adopted in the German zone," Russian methods being "a hundred times 60 more dangerous and efficient" than those of the Germans...

    ...Margarete Buber, a German-Jewish Communist handed over by the NKVD to the Gestapo at that time, has described in her memoir Under Two Dictators (1949) how Soviet secret police officers crossed the Brest-Litovsk bridge in front of their prisoners, to return with SS officers, the two commanders saluting each other before the reading out of names and the handing over of Jews to the Nazis...

    ...About 15,000 captured Polish officers who had refused to collaborate were tied with Russian ropes and shot in the back of the head with German bullets at Katyn and elsewhere by the NKVD in the spring of 1940, or at about the same time as the Gestapo-NKVD conference in Cracow...
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1000151/posts
    There had been meetings in March 1940, during which the Soviet NKVD shared its well-practiced terror and extermination technology with the Nazi SS. (The only Nazi "improvement" over Soviet extermination methods was the use of poison gas.) Professor George Watson has concluded that the fate of the interned Polish officers may have been decided at this conference, which according to him was held in Cracow.

    In his 1991 book, Stalin: Breaker of Nations, historian Robert Conquest stated that the conference had taken place at Zakopane in the Winter of 1939/40.

    According to Watson, the fate of the Polish officers in Soviet custody was probably discussed during the conference. This would have been a significant factor in Stalin's decision to exterminate them, considering how slavishly he adhered to his pact with Hitler. (In spite of warnings from the British and Americans of imminent Nazi attack, trainloads of Russian raw materials were being faithfully sent to the Germans, right until the very moment of Hitler's 22 June 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union. The NKVD even turned over, to the German Gestapo, German Communists who had been living in the Soviet Union.)
    http://represii.org/eng/1939.html
    On 26 December 1939, Stalin thanks Ribbentrop for his birthday wishes, noting that the Soviet-German friendship has been strengthened by jointly spilled blood. In order to implement agreements concerning joint actions against the Polish underground, the Gestapo and the NKVD agree to cooperate. A joint training center is created in the Polish city of Zakopane. In March 1940 the staff of the NKVD and the Reich Main Security Office attend a meeting, where these questions are discussed. By summer 1941 the NKVD has handed over to Germany more than 4,000 people, among them families of individuals arrested in the USSR and executed German Communists. In the course of military actions the commanders of forward units of the German and Soviet armies conduct an exchange of special communications officers. Special military parades take place in Grodno, Brest, and other cities even before Warsaw's capitulation. For example, at a military parade held in Grodno, Soviet corps commander V. Chuikov attends the pass in review with a German general, and General Heinz Guderian and Soviet brigade comman-der S. Kryvoshein attend the pass in review in Brest.
    http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/rhetoricTerr.html
    In December, 1939, at Zakopane, Poland, at a joint meeting of Nazi and Soviet security officers, NKVD representatives proposed to set up in the Nazi-occupied area a secret Communist organization of agents provocateurs to penetrate the real Polish underground and submit reports to both the Gestapo and the NKVD alike. The proposal was accepted, and after successful penetration numerous Polish resistance leaders were liquidated. This organization of traitors later transformed itself into the PPR, the Polish Workers' Party, as the present Communist party in Poland is called. In the later stages of the war, one of the principal objectives of the PPR was to incite the real underground into a premature uprising which would have been ruthlessly crushed, thus leaving the field open after the war to the bogus "resistance" which had been secretly but systematically denouncing the genuine resistance groups.


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    The only complain I have with the title of this topic is "Forgotten story"

    It's not forgotten... well at least by people who study history

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