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    Quote Originally Posted by Gods SoN
    "If the Palestinians put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"!! (Or to put it more bluntly..” if the military capabilities of israel and the palestinians were reversed, all Israelis would be killed in a matter of 24 hours or less”)


    I have to comment on that gay quote.....what Weapons does PALESTINE havE??? Cause they sure dont have airplanes like Israel does, or tanks etc.
    First of all they have ten’s of thousands of AK47’s and M16’s (which thier numerous snipers and gunman use). They have thousands of mortars, they have hundreds of rockets (kassam) they have tons and tons of RPG’s, they have bombs that can destroy a tank and they have their homicide bombers!!

    Secondly read carefully my sigline. I say if they will put down THEIR weapons...Now that doesn’t mean they have what Israel has. Yes they don’t have it now but what ever they do have they use ALL of it to the maximum and most certainly if they had what Israel had they would not be restrained as israel is but they surly would use ALL of it to the maximum as well!!!!

    My quote is the harsh reality that Israel is facing, whether you want to recognize that or not!!! (or call it gay?? for that matter)
    Honestly.....with quotes like that, thats why people dont like ISRAEL,
    Honestly..... its with ignoramuses like you as to why there are anti Semites in this world. Learn the facts and more importantly learn exactly what I am saying and not misunderstand it as you have done here.

    As for the rest of your post. Go read my other threads for I am not going to go over everything with you.

    Shalom

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    I will take one case, Samir Al Kuntar (oldest lebanese prisoner) sent a letter to his parents and the red cross a couple years after he was arrested. When he was shot he was taken to prison and a doctor performed 6 operations to remove 7 bullets from his body. In his letters to the red cross he said that the doctor shuved his fingers in the wound "to check how deep the bullet went in". All bullets were removed without the use of anestethia. The 7th bullet was left in his body "to remind him that he was shot by the IDF"
    You forgot to mention this man (if you can call him a man) is responsible for the death of a little girl, her father, her baby sister and leaving the mother with her whole family dead...



    PORTRAIT OF A MONSTER

    Someone else who is very aptly named is Samir Kuntar. In order to keep this a PG-rated site, I will not elaborate on this except to allow Smadar Haran's words do the talking:
    Abu Abbas, the former head of a Palestinian terrorist group who was captured in Iraq on April 15, is infamous for masterminding the 1985 hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro. But there are probably few who remember why Abbas's terrorists held the ship and its 400-plus passengers hostage for two days. It was to gain the release of a Lebanese terrorist named Samir Kuntar, who is locked up in an Israeli prison for life. Kuntar's name is all but unknown to the world. But I know it well. Because almost a quarter of a century ago, Kuntar murdered my family.

    It was a murder of unimaginable cruelty, crueler even than the murder of Leon Klinghoffer, the American tourist who was shot on the Achille Lauro and dumped overboard in his wheelchair. Kuntar's mission against my family, which never made world headlines, was also masterminded by Abu Abbas. And my wish now is that this terrorist leader should be prosecuted in the United States, so that the world may know of all his terrorist acts, not the least of which is what he did to my family on April 22, 1979.

    It had been a peaceful Sabbath day. My husband, Danny, and I had picnicked with our little girls, Einat, 4, and Yael, 2, on the beach not far from our home in Nahariya, a city on the northern coast of Israel, about six miles south of the Lebanese border. Around midnight, we were asleep in our apartment when four terrorists, sent by Abu Abbas from Lebanon, landed in a rubber boat on the beach two blocks away. Gunfire and exploding grenades awakened us as the terrorists burst into our building. They had already killed a police officer. As they charged up to the floor above ours, I opened the door to our apartment. In the moment before the hall light went off, they turned and saw me. As they moved on, our neighbor from the upper floor came running down the stairs. I grabbed her and pushed her inside our apartment and slammed the door.

    Outside, we could hear the men storming about. Desperately, we sought to hide. Danny helped our neighbor climb into a crawl space above our bedroom; I went in behind her with Yael in my arms. Then Danny grabbed Einat and was dashing out the front door to take refuge in an underground shelter when the terrorists came crashing into our flat. They held Danny and Einat while they searched for me and Yael, knowing there were more people in the apartment. I will never forget the joy and the hatred in their voices as they swaggered about hunting for us, firing their guns and throwing grenades. I knew that if Yael cried out, the terrorists would toss a grenade into the crawl space and we would be killed. So I kept my hand over her mouth, hoping she could breathe. As I lay there, I remembered my mother telling me how she had hidden from the Nazis during the Holocaust. "This is just like what happened to my mother," I thought.

    As police began to arrive, the terrorists took Danny and Einat down to the beach. There, according to eyewitnesses, one of them shot Danny in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see. Then he smashed my little girl's skull in against a rock with his rifle butt. That terrorist was Samir Kuntar.
    By the time we were rescued from the crawl space, hours later, Yael, too, was dead. In trying to save all our lives, I had smothered her.


    The next day, Abu Abbas announced from Beirut that the terrorist attack in Nahariya had been carried out "to protest the signing of the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty" at Camp David the previous year. Abbas seems to have a gift for charming journalists, but imagine the character of a man who protests an act of peace by committing an act of slaughter.

    Two of Abbas's terrorists had been killed by police on the beach. The other two were captured, convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Despite my protests, one was released in a prisoner exchange for Israeli POWs several months before the Achille Lauro hijacking. Abu Abbas was determined to find a way to free Kuntar as well. So he engineered the hijacking of the Achille Lauro off the coast of Egypt and demanded the release of 50 Arab terrorists from Israeli jails. The only one of those prisoners actually named was Samir Kuntar. The plight of hundreds held hostage on a cruise ship for two days at sea lent itself to massive international media coverage. The attack on Nahariya, by contrast, had taken less than an hour in the middle of the night. So what happened then was hardly noticed outside of Israel.

    One hears the terrorists and their excusers say that they are driven to kill out of desperation. But there is always a choice. Even when you have suffered, you can choose whether to kill and ruin another's life, or whether to go on and rebuild. Even after my family was murdered, I never dreamed of taking revenge on any Arab.

    But I am determined that Samir Kuntar should never be released from prison. In 1984, I had to fight my own government not to release him as part of an exchange for several Israeli soldiers who were POWs in Lebanon. I understood, of course, that the families of those POWs would gladly have agreed to the release of an Arab terrorist to get their sons back. But I told Yitzhak Rabin, then defense minister, that the blood of my family was as red as that of the POWs. Israel had always taken a position of refusing to negotiate with terrorists. If they were going to make an exception, let it be for a terrorist who was not as cruel as Kuntar. "Your job is not to be emotional," I told Rabin, "but to act rationally." And he did.

    So Kuntar remains in prison. I have been shocked to learn that he has married an Israeli Arab woman who is an activist on behalf of terrorist prisoners. As the wife of a prisoner, she gets a monthly stipend from the government. I'm not too happy about that.

    In recent years, Abu Abbas started telling journalists that he had renounced terrorism and that killing Leon Klinghoffer had been a mistake. But he has never said that killing my family was a mistake. He was a terrorist once, and a terrorist, I believe, he remains. Why else did he spend these last years, as the Israeli press has reported, free as a bird in Baghdad, passing rewards of $25,000 from Saddam Hussein to families of Palestinian suicide bombers? More than words, that kind of cash prize, which is a fortune to poor families, was a way of urging more suicide bombers. The fortunate thing about Abbas's attaching himself to Hussein is that it set him up for capture.

    Some say that Italy should have first crack at Abbas. It had already convicted him of the Achille Lauro hijacking in absentia in 1986. Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi now wants Abbas handed over so that he can begin serving his life sentence. But it's also true that in 1985, the Italians had Abbas in their hands after U.S. fighter jets forced his plane to land in Sicily. And yet they let him go. So while I trust Berlusconi, who knows if a future Italian government might not again wash its hands of Abbas?

    In 1995, Rabin, then our prime minister, asked me to join him on his trip to the White House, where he was to sign a peace agreement with Yasser Arafat, which I supported. I believe that he wanted me to represent all Israeli victims of terrorism. Rabin dreaded shaking hands with Arafat, knowing that those hands were bloody. At first, I agreed to make the trip, but at the last minute, I declined. As prime minister, Rabin had to shake hands with Arafat for political reasons. As a private person, I did not. So I stayed here.

    Now I am ready and willing to come to the United States to testify against Abu Abbas if he is tried for terrorism. The daughters of Leon Klinghoffer have said they are ready to do the same. Unlike Klinghoffer, Danny, Einat and Yael were not American citizens. But Klinghoffer was killed on an Italian ship in Abbas's attempt to free the killer of my family in Israel. We are all connected by the international web of terrorism woven by Abbas. Let the truth come out in a new and public trial. And let it be in the United States, the leader in the struggle against terrorism.
    And now Hezbollah is threatening no prisoner-exchange deal without Kuntar's release. I doubt the Israeli government will be willing to set him free; I certainly hope not.
    At times like this I regret the fact that Israel has no death penalty...

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    I have to comment on that gay quote.....what Weapons does PALESTINE havE??? Cause they sure dont have airplanes like Israel does, or tanks etc.
    What weapons does Al-Qaida have? Cause they sure dont have airplanes, tanks, aircraft carriers, guided missiles and B-52 bombers like the U.S has. Of course this didn't stop them from killing over 3000 people...

    Your hypocrisy is unbearable.


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    Samir Al Kuntar

    If the other people here just knew what cind of man he is !!!!!

    If i whould arrested that man...i shoot him in the head...without any dout.



    ****ing terrorists.

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    Quote:
    I have to comment on that gay quote.....what Weapons does PALESTINE havE??? Cause they sure dont have airplanes like Israel does, or tanks etc.



    What weapons does Al-Qaida have? Cause they sure dont have airplanes, tanks, aircraft carriers, guided missiles and B-52 bombers like the U.S has. Of course this didn't stop them from killing over 3000 people...

    Your hypocrisy is unbearable.
    The Al-Qaida is a diffuse organisation without foundation in any specific society, and i think not a very relevant comparison.

    The palestinians are unarmed in the sense that israeli soldiers, tanks and helicopters can act anywhere they want with impunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Nielsen

    The palestinians are unarmed in the sense that israeli soldiers, tanks and helicopters can act anywhere they want with impunity.
    ..... and before the full military reoccupation of the west bank recently, the Palestinians were acting anywhere with impunity.

    repeat what I said to Godson

    “First of all they have ten’s of thousands of AK47’s and M16’s (which thier numerous snipers and gunman use). They have thousands of mortars, they have hundreds of rockets (kassam) they have tons and tons of RPG’s, they have bombs that can destroy a tank and they have their homicide bombers!!”

    The point is that Israel is very restrained with what it has whereas the Palestinians are not!! Israel does not use a fraction of the real fire power that it has!!!

    Again” Secondly read carefully my sigline. I say if they will put down THEIR weapons...Now that doesn’t mean they have what Israel has. Yes they don’t have it now but what ever they do have they use ALL of it to the maximum and most certainly if they had what Israel had they would not be restrained as israel is but they surly would use ALL of it to the maximum as well!!!!

    My quote is the harsh reality that Israel is facing, whether you want to recognize that or not!!!

    But hey to satisfy your warped sense of reality there, we should just drop our weapons so we can be killed off voluntarily without defending our selves ….yeah real smart there

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    "If the Palestinians put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"!! (Or to put it more bluntly..” if the military capabilities of israel and the palestinians were reversed, all Israelis would be killed in a matter of 24 hours or less”)
    Now this somewhat bizarre sigline have come up for discussion in several posts.

    But what palestinians are we talking about? Is it the Hamas, mr. Dahlan, fatah or what?

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    Thanks guys (s13 and UoUo) on educating on whom this monster is that “one” is defending!!

    Damn if I knew that I wouldn’t have even have bothered wasting my time with my other post (although I don’t regret it at all)

    I was saddened and sickened to read this…..
    the terrorists took Danny and Einat down to the beach. There, according to eyewitnesses, one of them shot Danny in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see. Then he smashed my little girl's skull in against a rock with his rifle butt. That terrorist was Samir Kuntar.
    By the time we were rescued from the crawl space, hours later, Yael, too, was dead. In trying to save all our lives, I had smothered her.
    Yeah that guy is monster that after reading "one" account of how Israel treated him and how he is in jail and not wrapped in pigskin and buried six feet under, it seems more restrained that I care to even justify. Truly a shame and an injustice that Israel does not have the death penalty!!!

    Good one there "one" defending that monster!!!

    Shalom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Nielsen
    "If the Palestinians put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"!! (Or to put it more bluntly..” if the military capabilities of israel and the palestinians were reversed, all Israelis would be killed in a matter of 24 hours or less”)

    Now this somewhat bizarre sigline have come up for discussion in several posts.

    But what palestinians are we talking about? Is it the Hamas, mr. Dahlan, fatah or what?
    we are not talking about ALL Palestinians or ALL arabs!! OK?!? No its about the ones that want to kill us no matter what and there are tons of those!!

    Fact: if Israel did not have the idf, Israel would cease to exist, be it from the invading Arab armies or from the Palestinians!!!

    If the Palestinians or the Arab nations stopped all violence, they most certainly would exist!!!!

    Just note, my quote is prevalent to the Palestinians but that word can be substituted for the Arabs as well

    shalom

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    Think this tread just sidetrackt somthing awefull...

    So... Here...







    THERE!!! Back on topic... Naval SF!! WOOHOOO! I've SAVED the tread!! I think this means I should get some sort of medal...

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    The Al-Qaida is a diffuse organisation without foundation in any specific society, and i think not a very relevant comparison.
    It is true that AL-Qaida is a diffuse organisation but it is a terrorist organisation just like the terrorist organisations operating in the territories and uses the same weapons. The fact is that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are no different from AL-Qaida except that AL-Qaida operates in a global scale. I wonder whether Godson supports the U.S war on terror (AL-Qaida in particular) but on the other hand turns a blind eye to the crimes committed by the terrorists in the territories and criticizes Israel's own war on terror. If so, that's a great example of double standards.

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    Nice pics Guttorm.

    Here are some photos I found:











    Seizing of the Palestinian weapons ship Karine A
    January 4, 2002


    A ship carrying weapons intended for the Palestinian Authority was captured in the Red Sea by Israel's Navy and Air Force. The boat's cargo included 50 tons of advanced weaponry including Katyusha rockets, rifles, mortar shells, mines and a variety of anti-tank missiles. Senior figures in the Palestinian Authority were involved in the smuggling.

    Communicated by the IDF Spokesman:

    On January 3rd, the Israeli Navy seized control over the Karine A ship that was sailing in international waters on its way to the Suez Canal.

    The shipment included both 122 mm. and 107 mm. Katyusha rockets, which have ranges of 20 and 8 kilometers respectively. It also contained 80 mm. and 120 mm. mortar shells, various types of anti-tank missiles, anti-tank mines, sniper rifles, Kalashnikov rifles and ammunition. From Gaza, the 122 mm. Katyushas could have threatened Ashkelon and other coastal cities; while from the West Bank, Ben-Gurion International Airport and several major Israeli cities would have been within their range. The shipment also included rubber boats and diving equipment, which would have facilitated seaborne attacks from Gaza against coastal cities.

    Preliminary investigation of the crew members has revealed so far that the commanding officer of the ship is Colonel Omar Akawi. The ship was purchased by the Palestinian Authority, loaded with weapons by the Iranians and the Hizbullah, manned by Palestinian Authority personnel, with the aim of transfering the weapons it carried to the Palestinian Naval Police near the Gaza beaches.

    Since October 2000, Adel Mughrabi, a major buyer in the Palestinian weapons purchasing system (with the assistance of the Palestinian Naval Police Commander Juma'a Ghali and his executive Fathi Ghazem), has been in contact with the Iranians and Hizbullah regarding a vast weapons smuggling operation for the use of the Palestinian Authority. This operation included the testing and purchase of ships, forming a sailing crew and appointing a commander for the team, as well as making arrangements as to how the weapons would be stored, loaded onto the vessels, and its journey until delivery to the Palestinian Authority.

    Preliminary investigation of the team members arrested revealed that the Karine A ship was purchased by Adel Mughrabi in Lebanon, sailed to Sudan where it was loaded with regular cargo. The crew was then switched with the team members and in November 2001 sailed to Hodeida port in Yemen.

    In December 2001 the ship sailed according to detailed instructions from Adel Mughrabi to the beaches of Iran near Qeshm Island. There a ferry approached it, most likely arriving from Iran, from which the weapons stored in 80 large wooden crates were transferred and loaded onto the ship. These weapons were stored in special waterproof containers produced only in Iran, which are floatable and are set with a special configurable system that determines how deep they are submerged, were prepared by Hizbullah personnel for smuggling to the Palestinian Authority. Included in the ferry team which transferred the weapons crates to the ship was also a Lebanese trainer, a Hizbullah operative who trained a diver from the ship's crew in configuring the floatation devices in Lebanon. The trainer was present for yet another refreshing training session prior to the sailing.

    After completing the loading process of the weapons onto the ship, the ship had to divert to Hodeida port in Yemen due to technical problems. After crossing the canal, the ship was supposed to meet with three smaller ships that were purchased in advance and to unload the weapons onto them. According to the plan, the smaller ships were to leave the weapons near El Arish in Gaza, where the weapons were to be taken by the commander of the Palestinian Naval Police Juma'a Ghali and his executive Fathi Ghazem.
    When it's written that the "Israeli Navy seized control over the Karine A ship" that means Shayetet 13 seized control over the Karine A ship.

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    I bet ya, on the cargo manifest of that ship, the cap had put "stuff"...

    Israeli SF over VHF: "Please state what cargo your ship is carrying sir"

    Captain : "100 kg of food.... And three tons of.... Stuff"


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    Quote:
    The Al-Qaida is a diffuse organisation without foundation in any specific society, and i think not a very relevant comparison.


    It is true that AL-Qaida is a diffuse organisation but it is a terrorist organisation just like the terrorist organisations operating in the territories and uses the same weapons. The fact is that Hamas and Islamic Jihad are no different from AL-Qaida except that AL-Qaida operates in a global scale.
    My point was that the Al-Qaida have no society, no land and cities to defend. For kind of actions the undertake I guess they have plenty of what they need.

    The Palestinians on their part have a society, farms and fields, cities and villages. If israel wants to drive tanks through Ramallah they just do that. If they want to bulldoze a house for whatever reason they just do that. If they want a farmers land to build a settlement or enlarge one they just do that. And the palestinians can do nothing about it.

    And if they blow-up a merkava with a homemade bomb, however impressive that might be, thats not going to deter the iDF from driving their tanks wherever they want.

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    Im an Anti Semtist now??? Ok there buddy....i said ISRAEL not JEWS. Get it right you **** before you start calling me something im not.

    Palestinians may have AK's and AR's but soo do Bloods and Krypts. Do we go around bombing them?

    You guys are going over to Palestine and just bombing the **** out of them and claiming that its all terrorist related.

    Last week one of CBC's broadcasters interviewed the Deputy Prime Minister of Israel, and the man had denied the mass casualites of civilians.

    Grow up...

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