Arabs at War

[Gon4z]

wtf are you talking about?

Hummm.... Kosovo war is over serbs moved out & now kosoov is a different nation, serbs have no influance there and it seems like they are geting independence in early 2007, YEP!!! thats whats called wining...
Ohh and i belive serbs are not know for wining wars but lousing them, Lost while fightin the Ossmans, Lost in WWI had to have europe pull you out of the **** you got your self into, lost WWII until again russia 7 the west pulled you out of your crap, and same in teh Yugoslav wars, serbia ahs never won a war in its history.

Arabs just LOOOVVE to blame Soviet weapons for defeats. North Vietnam had worse weapons then the Arabs and still did pretty well.
Israels weapons have for most part always lagged behind the Arabs. Super Shermans? Puh-leeze, those things were obsolete in 1943.

No they dont complain & i never said they did, but iam saying Tanks & ground troops with out air suport are usles, and Egypt had a pretty terrible air force at taht time & it was fightin Israel USA & a couple other countries at the time, ohh and your wrong Israelis wer allways more suprerior than its naighbours, a T-54 is not much better then a super sherman...
as far as iam conveard Soviet military equipment are verry good and i would prefer them over most western ones.
M48A5
M60A3 (sabra) & (Magach)
Sh'ot tanks (centurions)
Merakava's
Compearting to Egypts T-54 & T-55 or Syrias T-72s & T-62...
Israel = over 2,500 tanks Egypt around = 700 Tanks

[fantomas]

we lost in 67 because the russians stabbed us in the back.the russians
gave old really old weps plus really old and bad tactics.WE LOST IN 48
because from king faruq who bought ruined british weps.AND many egyptian soldiers lost there lives because rifles used to blow up in your
faces.if you asked me britian is responsible for all muslims and jews that lost there life.

this is the #1 reason why arabs lose wars (at least conventional ones) and why so much of the arab world is in such stagnation. failure to accept personal responsibility for your own actions.

thats why the arab street is full of "zionist" stories about the Stonemasons, Elfs, etc, anything to put the blame of responibility on someone else's shoulders. In this case our friend Vane blames the Russians and teh Brits for Egypt getting its ass handed to it by Israel.

nevermind that Egypt had the latest Russian T tanks, Mig and Su fighter bombers and SA-7 batteries (numerically many times more than IDF equipment), but offcourse you dont see Egyptians investigating why they lost (incompetent commanders, shaky officer corps, poor battle tactics, lack of unit cohesion, etc), the blame easily goes to the outsiders, be it israelis, russians or the brits. typical.

[fantomas]

re: arabs blaming 'poor russian equipment' on their losses to IDF


theres an old Russian saying, "plohomu tanzioru, yaitza meshayut"

it means "if you are a bad dancer, your balls will get in the way"

a bad performer will blame his equipment first.

[Gon4z]

theres an old Russian saying, "plohomu tanzioru, yaitza meshayut"

it means "if you are a bad dancer, your balls will get in the way"

hehe... thers a similar saying in my language, "For a weeak d!ck even his own pubes get in the way"

[fantomas]

Israel = over 2,500 tanks Egypt around = 700 Tanks

this is utter nonsense.


from wikipedia (1973 war)


Israel

415,000 troops; 1,500 tanks, 3,000 armored carriers; 945 artillery units;[1] 561 airplanes, 84 helicopters; 38 warships.[2]

Egypt: 800,000 troops (300,000 deployed); 2,400 tanks, 2,400 armored carriers; 1,120 artillery units;[1] 690 airplanes, 161 helicopters; 104 warships
Syria: 150,000 troops (60,000 deployed); 1,400 tanks, 800-900 armored carriers; 600 artillery units;[1] 350 airplanes, 36 helicopters; 21 warships
Iraq: 60,000 troops; 700 tanks; 500 armored carriers; 200 artillery units;[1] 73 airplanes[2]
see also Other participants

[Gon4z]

this is utter nonsense.


from wikipedia (1973 war)


Israel

415,000 troops; 1,500 tanks, 3,000 armored carriers; 945 artillery units;[1] 561 airplanes, 84 helicopters; 38 warships.[2]

Egypt: 800,000 troops (300,000 deployed); 2,400 tanks, 2,400 armored carriers; 1,120 artillery units;[1] 690 airplanes, 161 helicopters; 104 warships
Syria: 150,000 troops (60,000 deployed); 1,400 tanks, 800-900 armored carriers; 600 artillery units;[1] 350 airplanes, 36 helicopters; 21 warships
Iraq: 60,000 troops; 700 tanks; 500 armored carriers; 200 artillery units;[1] 73 airplanes[2]
see also Other participants

HaHa... dont use Wikipedia as you back up coz your just showin that you dont ahve any hard sources, wiki is a public place and one one can edit and write that. right? so 60% of the political and history in Wikipedia is nonsence and propaganda, that enemys write about each other or people write to make their enenmys look bad, try looking somw were els...

[fantomas]

HaHa... dont use Wikipedia as you back up coz your just showin that you dont ahve any hard sources, wiki is a public place and one one can edit and write that. right? so 60% of the political and history in Wikipedia is nonsence and propaganda, that enemys write about each other or people write to make their enenmys look bad, try looking somw were els...

#1 you need to learn how to spell, youre giving me a headache

#2 wiki is generally a very reliable source, much more reliable than your silly numbers (700 egyptian tanks vs 2500 idf tanks, laughable)

[Gon4z]

#1 you need to learn how to spell, youre giving me a headache

#2 wiki is generally a very reliable source, much more reliable than your silly numbers (700 egyptian tanks vs 2500 idf tanks, laughable)

Humm... I didn’t know this was a spelling contest, but since you asked for it then okay, what about you do you type your message in word first then post it so you don’t come around as an illiterate. And then accuse others spelling, you don’t want me to start correcting your previous spellings, I miss spell when I’am in a rush like now, I’am really tired and want to go to bed…

wiki is full of propaganda I can go there right now and write a 7 page long propaganda about some one or some nation and then people will be using it as a reliable source yep very reliable, try reading a history book, or maybe going doing some time in the military that’s where you learn real military history and not propaganda even if your own side lost…

[Gon4z]

These are the troop deployments during all the Israeli Arab wars, you are putting figures of the amount of troops a country had, not the amount it deployed into combat.


Israelis ----Arabs

109,000 ----35,000 ===1948 war Israelis out equip & out number the Arabs
265,000 ---245,000 ===1967 war Israelis out equip & out number the Arabs
420,000 ---425,000 ===1973 war Arabs out equip & slightly out number the Israelis

conclusion: Israel wins all wars, due to advance equipment and other western support.

It is stupid to say Arabs have never won a war...

Suez Crisis 1956 - 1957

Israeli ------- Egypt
British
French

250,000 ------ 300,000

Egypt out numbers enemy but are out equipped, conclusion Egypt wins the war


Lebanon 1982 - 2000

Israeli ----- Arabs

62,000 ----- 12,000

Arabs extremely out number & out equipped conclusion Arabs in the war and drive Israel out of south Lebanon.


Lebanon 2006

Israeli ----- Arabs

35,000+ ---- 3,000

Arabs extremely out number & out equipped conclusion Arabs in the war and drive Israel out of south Lebanon.


to me it looks pretty even Israelis won 3 wars, Arabs won 3 to me it looks pretty even Israelis won 3 wars, Arabs won 3... if you want to get into to it deeper you might consider the Algerian conflict against the french, Afghan war in 1980's even tough they wer techincaly not arab but there wer thousands of arab fighters...
Ohh and most of those figures are backed by your favorite place for sources Wiki, but it seems that Wiki had them a little to high, and maybe you should read the into very carefully and not copy and paste the first numbers that you see

a peace of advice try searching into google and reading about things in several places and not running to wiki straight away and if you still use wiki maybe you should read the information more than once because i can see you are having a hard time understanding it...

[fantomas]

Humm... I didn’t know this was a spelling contest, but since you asked for it then okay, what about you do you type your message in word first then post it so you don’t come around as an illiterate. And then accuse others spelling, you don’t want me to start correcting your previous spellings, I miss spell when I’am in a rush like now, I’am really tired and want to go to bed…

wiki is full of propaganda I can go there right now and write a 7 page long propaganda about some one or some nation and then people will be using it as a reliable source yep very reliable, try reading a history book, or maybe going doing some time in the military that’s where you learn real military history and not propaganda even if your own side lost…

i do read historical books and accounts, and your numbers regarding the force strenghts is laughably ludicrous. where did you pull these numbers from? i'd like your source.

wikipedia was rated as more accurate and more precise than other encyclopedias, including brittanica. your charges against inaccuracy simply do not apply. if you want me to be convinced that your silly numbers are in fact accurate, show me a source (you can use wiki as well) that backs up your numbers.

ive read a number of books about both the 67 and 73 wars including Michael Oren's classic Six Days of War and Rabinovich's The Yom Kippur War



in all accounts that ive read, the Israeli forces were outgunned both in personnel and equipment by large margins.

you should read up on this, you can start here

http://militaryhistory.about.com/gi/...r%5Fcourse.php

[Gon4z]

i do read historical books and accounts, and your numbers regarding the force strenghts is laughably ludicrous. where did you pull these numbers from? i'd like your source.

wikipedia was rated as more accurate and more precise than other encyclopedias, including brittanica. your charges against inaccuracy simply do not apply. if you want me to be convinced that your silly numbers are in fact accurate, show me a source (you can use wiki as well) that backs up your numbers.

ive read a number of books about both the 67 and 73 wars including Michael Oren's classic Six Days of War and Rabinovich's The Yom Kippur War



in all accounts that ive read, the Israeli forces were outgunned both in personnel and equipment by large margins.

you should read up on this, you can start here

http://militaryhistory.about.com/gi/...r%5Fcourse.php

YEP, I think I might just do that since I have some free time...

[fantomas]

woa woa woa!!

hold up.

youre joking right? you cant just pull numbers from thin air, like this gem here,



109,000 ----35,000 ===1948 war Israelis out equip & out number the Arabs
265,000 ---245,000 ===1967 war Israelis out equip & out number the Arabs
420,000 ---425,000 ===1973 war Arabs out equip & slightly out number the Israelis


where did you get these numbers?

dude this is silly.

conclusion: Israel wins all wars, due to advance equipment and other western support

that was a pretty fast conclusion. are you sure about that?

re: Suez War
Egypt out numbers enemy but are out equipped, conclusion Egypt wins the war

pretty good at rewriting history are ya. Suez War was a brillian military success for IDF, so much so that they were within visual sight of Cairo and could have invaded that city if external powers like UK, France and NATO didnt stop them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Wa...and_withdrawal
The operation to take the canal was highly successful from a military point of view, but a political disaster due to external forces. Along with Suez, the United States was also dealing with the near-simultaneous Soviet-Hungary crisis, and faced the public relations embarrassment of criticizing the Soviet Union's military intervention there while at the same time avoiding criticism of its two principal European allies' actions. Perhaps more significantly, the United States also feared a wider war after the Soviet Union threatened to intervene on the Egyptian side and launch attacks by "all types of weapons of destruction" on London and Paris.

Lebanon 1982 - 2000

Israeli ----- Arabs

62,000 ----- 12,000

Arabs extremely out number & out equipped conclusion Arabs in the war and drive Israel out of south Lebanon.


Lebanon 2006

Israeli ----- Arabs

35,000+ ---- 3,000

Arabs extremely out number & out equipped conclusion Arabs in the war and drive Israel out of south Lebanon.

again, where do youget these silly numbers from? this is total bollocks. arabs never drove IDF out of lebanon (i think u mean hezbola). This summers war, IDF was in full control of most of S.Lebanon and withdrew only after a UN-mandated force came in and took over. How the hell is this a 'victory for the arabs'??

to me it looks pretty even Israelis won 3 wars, Arabs won 3 to me it looks pretty even Israelis won 3 wars, Arabs won 3...

youre a funny guy, throwing out random numbers, rewriting history, etc.

[AN_TPS_63A]

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[AN_TPS_63A]

i do read historical books and accounts, and your numbers regarding the force strenghts is laughably ludicrous. where did you pull these numbers from? i'd like your source.

wikipedia was rated as more accurate and more precise than other encyclopedias, including brittanica. your charges against inaccuracy simply do not apply. if you want me to be convinced that your silly numbers are in fact accurate, show me a source (you can use wiki as well) that backs up your numbers.

ive read a number of books about both the 67 and 73 wars including Michael Oren's classic Six Days of War and Rabinovich's The Yom Kippur War



in all accounts that ive read, the Israeli forces were outgunned both in personnel and equipment by large margins.

you should read up on this, you can start here

http://militaryhistory.about.com/gi/...r%5Fcourse.php

Second that dude. Wikipedia is a very reliable source. I've remember once I couldn't understand some electronics stuff in the book, then I turned to wikipedia and understood immediately.

[fantomas]

article on wiki's accuracy


http://news.com.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html


Wikipedia is about as good a source of accurate information as Britannica, the venerable standard-bearer of facts about the world around us, according to a study published this week in the journal Nature.