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    Quote Originally Posted by Linedoggie View Post
    My Paternal Granduncle Frank was KIA on the Ourque("O'Rourke") River Oct 15th, 1918 with Co. Able, 165th Infantry, AEF. He is Buried in the Meuse-Argonne American Cemetary @ Romagne France.
    I've been to that cemetery. It's a very moving place.

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    Default Polish-Ukrainian War 1918: personal story

    It is Polish Indepence Day which gave me the idea to write a few words about this unknown conflict. I do not have lots of knowledge about this war so any additions especially from Ukrainian side are welcome. Instead I will tell you the stories of my father who fought in this war when he was 14! (I had father in much more advanced age that normally fathers used to be). I hope it will be interesting reading for you.

    During communism talking and writing about this was forbidden as well as about Polish-Bolshevik war 1919-1920.

    Autumn of 1918 was a real autumn of nations (as well as in 1989). Lots of nations proclamed indepedence after fall of big multi-national countries. In our region they were Czechoslovakia, Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and many others.
    Soon it lead to inevitable territorial clashes between all those new organisms.
    Poland proclamated idependence in November 1918 having no government, economy nor army. Additionally there were 80.000 demoralized German troops of fallen Prussian Empire. Polish paramilitary organizations started to disarm them and allowed the organized evacuation from new Polish territory. But some fights occured in Warsaw between German troops reluctant to put arms down and Polish students.

    While it was happening Ukraine proclamed independence before and had already a few thousands troops. Ukraine territory claims included city of Lvov and Galician territory. The territory was populated by both Poles and Ukrainians. There was also very big population of Jews and some Armenian and other minorities. Poles, Jews and other nationalities populated the cities while the countryside was populated in vast majority by Ukrainians.

    In city of Lvov Polish idependce organization appeared including several hundreds of citizens, mainly students but also young scouts and even pupils. Meanwhile Ukrainian authorities with several thousands troops appeared there as well to gain the city to Ukrainian state. Short negotiations failed and soon the neighbours living together for several hundreds of years stood against each other in tragic bloody fight. Ukrainians outnumbered Poles and soon gained all main buildings in the city.
    Poles organized student and scout military units. They knew the city while Ukrainian mainly peasant soldiers were not feeling there well. Soldiers included teenagers and girls. There were even 2 9years old boys. One young Jewish girl captured with some other youngsters Ukrainian machinegun. Fights were lasting for 3 weeks.

    Meanwhile having no army and problems with Germans Polish voluntary help was being organized to help fights in Lvov.
    My father was in gymnasium at the moment. When the news broke out that volunteers are needed the whole school imediatelly was completly empty - morale was extremally high. My father escaped from home and stood in enlisting queue together with lots of other youngsters.
    Enlisting soldier asked him: are you 16 years old? - Yes, sure he replied and shown falsificated id. - Do you have permission from your parents? - again he asked. - No, but immediatelly I will write it. Soldier looked at him and accepted.

    My father had a beautiful sister and many young gentlemen were visting her to gain her attention. One of them was a young officer: Leopold Okulicki. In 1944, 25 years after this story he became on of the commanders of Warsaw Uprising. My grandfathers found out that my father enlisted and asked Okulicki to take care of him. So he got to Okulicki's unit: assault platoon. It was called assault because ... they had helmets as one of very few units: German ones. Reinforcements were put into a train. Equipment was very poor gathering of Germand, Russian and Austrian rifles. My father received a short cavalry rifle. The train was full and there were some older drunk soldiers. One of them was playing with his rifle and shot his companion sitting next to him.

    After that they had to march in very deep snow which was exhausting for a young boy: roads were under Ukrainian artillery fire. Finally they got to some poor trenches next to Lvov. It was position war in heavy conditions of winter. Ukrainian peasants who surrounded them were cutting telephonical wires. There were traps around of wires and bells to hear when someone approaches. The peasants found out about that and were ringing those bells all the nights. I remember from stories that at least one was caught and shot. My father was very tiny so he stood in a trench on 2 bricks. There was one old and constantly breaking down machinegun in a unit.
    One day Okulicki gathered his platoon and said: we do not have machineguns but Ukrainians have many. I need volunteers to storm Ukrainian trenches and bring some. Volunteers: one step forward.
    Immediatelly the whole platoon made a step forward. - You stay here - he said to my father.
    The soldiers went into the night. Soon the shooting and explosions were heard: they stormed Ukrainians with hand grenades. Soon the whole unit appeared bringing 2 machineguns. There was noone lost except for Okulicki. He was unconcious and had all body covered with blood: one of Polish soldiers dropped a hand grenade next to him. Long after that my father visted him in a hospital: he as all covered with bandages and had 19 wounds.

    Soldiers were ill: there was extremally cold and while sitting next to a fire having front exposed to heat and back exposed to cold lots of soldiers got dysentery. So did my father and was withdrawn from his war.
    He went back proud in a uniform to Krakow. Still he was serving.

    Meanwhile fights with Ukrainians ended - Poland gained Lvov and some territory of nowadays Ukraine. Politics changed and Poland united with Ukrainian leader: Petlura against the Soviet Russia. Polish - Bolshevik war broke out. While having heavy fights in the east with Bolsheviks Czechoslovakia made claims to some territories belonging to Poland and launched offensive in southern Poland. My father was hoping to enlist for those fights but due to illness was not let to line unit. Instead he was directed to watch ammo magazines near Krakow (or in Krakow).
    And it was not easy task too. In those uneasy times many ideologies were clashing. Polish communists were supporting Bolsheviks and there were sabouteurs targeting the ammo dumps.
    One day my father spotted a suspicious guy near the ammo. He aimed his rifle but .. could not shoot. The guy escaped.

    And basically this is the end of the story. Poland had tragic fights in those days with Ukrainians, Bolsheviks, Czechs, Germans and Lithuanians. Never after those times Poland had good relationship with those countries: too much pain and hatred. Between 1919 and 1939 Poland had good relationship only with one neighbour: Romania.

    Young boys and girls fighting in Lvov are called now "Lvov eagles". My father received this award as well.

    What happened with actors after that. My father returned to school. Parading there in a uniform he was called by classical professor: oh, you are murderer. In 1939 he was escaping to the east from Wehrmacht.
    He had Lvov Eagle award with himself. Being surrounded by hostile Ukrainians he dropped it. Then he shared the faith of hundreds thousands of Poles and was taken by NKVD to work camp near Volga. But this is completly another story.

    Leopold Okulicki was engaged in Polish underground during the war and was one of tragical leaders of Warsaw Uprising. He had the nickname "Bear". Unfortunatelly he was the one who was pressing to fight not looking at circumstances and caused this great tragedy.
    He was arrested by NKVD after war with other leaders of Home Army had a fiction trial and was murdered.

    The beautiful sister with almost all of the family was killed in airstrike in 1939.

    Hope that it was an interesting story.
    Just a remark: it was not spreading any political ideology, just to show how tragic time it was. Fortunatelly we have great relationship with Ukraine now.

    Lvov eagles:


    Leopold Okulicki:



    And during trial in Moscow:


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    very interesting thx for sharing

    Can you explain this part?

    What happened with actors after that. My father returned to school. Parading there in a uniform he was called by classical professor: oh, you are murderer.

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    It was proffessor of classical literature. While the whole nation was fighting he was in his literature. When he saw someone in uniform he said: oh you were killing people, so you are murderer

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    Amazing story Shadowsride, the place where my parents live, Turze Pole, there is a grave site where there are a number of gravesites listed with young men who were in military age that died in 1921, judging that they were in the polish bolshevik war, number of them had the same last name as I do, but i do not know if they are related to me.
    Once again amazing story you have presented.

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    Once I created a blog with stories told by my father and they are really numerous and amazing but unfortunatelly the blog disappeared.

    One of them is like from Pianist movie.

    After the stories I told you before my father studied arts and became quite famous painter.
    In 1939 he escaped to eastern Poland which fell under Soviet occupation. In 1940 he had a dream of a sister that died in 1939 and in this dream she said: they are coming for you. Whatever they will ask always say the truth. And indeed this night he was arrested by NKVD and sent to lager near Volga.
    But coming to this story: in 1941 he was released from lager and while he could not join Polish Army he started going through the whole Russia west to Poland (which lasted a year).
    In one village the front came (it was southern front, somewhere next to Caucasus).
    Civilians were hiding in a villiage which was coming from hands to hands: in the day German planes were bombing the area, in the night: Soviet biplanes.
    Finally the village got into German hands and some German soldiers lead by an officer entered the cottage.
    They started interrogating people: I do not remember what happened to the others. But when it came to my father the officer asked who he is.
    Then he was suprprised because my father replied with fluent German that he is a painter. Officer started having fun with that and with a triumphant smile he asked: "so what you've got here? paintings?" Indeed my father had some paintings that he was allowed to take from work camp. "Show me" - the officer ordered. My father unrolled one and suddenly the officer stopped smiling and became absolutely serious. "This is very beautiful" he said shocked. "I see this is French school, you must have studied in Paris". That was the truth.
    Then he took my father to his personal car and drove him West. Propably he hidden him somewhere.
    In 70s my father received a letter addressed to Arts Academy from this officer asking if he is alive. His second name was Reinheart. He was captured by Soviets and as many Germans returned to West Germany in 50s. He had feeling of guilt and offered to send some money knowing that Poland was very poor at that times. My father did not accept. Still the letters are at home.

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    One of my Granduncles (mother's side) was Flakhelfer in WW2, my mother's grandfather was Unteroffizier in Artillery on the Eastern Front, returned 3 years after the end of the war. Three of my grandfather's cousins died in WW2, one somewhere in the Atlantic on a submarine, two in Stalingrad. Himself he was too young to serve in the Army.
    My father's grandfather served as some NCO grade in the Austro-Hungarian army, also in WW1. His son lived in poland and was in the anti-german underground movement in WW2, but he never told anything about him involved in actual combat or not.

    Other than that, my family doesn't have a prominent military history. Two of my uncles did a prolonged military service in the Bundeswehr (PzGrenBtl 352 (mech inf) and sPiBtl 12 (engineer)) in 1993 and 2000, respectively. Now I'm the only one who's a career soldier.

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    My fathers uncle (granduncle?) was some type of commando in WW2. My dad says he was British green beret but I'm not aware of any units that wore green berets in ww2, but then again I haven't searched. All I know is that he was injured somewhere in Germany. I have no idea who to contact to get his service records etc. I'm assuming the MOD?

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    no photos of my father in his Vietnam uniform nor from his tours there in 1963-67ish, but my father enlisted in the US Army before Vietnam, I dont know his unit nor his role, after Vietnam, he toured the US, and then converted to christanity, and became a Chaplain, went to the US EUR base in Germany in the late 70s, early 80s when they got issued Woodland camouflage, and served as Oregon National Guard for most of my life, I being deaf, couldnt join military, but wanted to, and grew up admiring his gear and his service, he was on call to go to Iraq the first time around, spent a few months in Monmouth, NJ training and some in Ft Bragg NC, and came back when he wasnt needed, then he transferred to the Reserves, 104th (or 140th?) Timberwolves based in Ft Vancouver and went to Ft Lewis to train and meet up with other chaplains,
    retired recently at the rank of Lt. Colonel, I wonder if there are anyone who mightve known him in the Pacific NW theater? he was known as Lt. Colonel Gerard E. Blankenheim, and mightve known him from vietnam, but I dont know anything beyond that he served in Vietnam and does not wish to discuss about it.
    I may have another relative on my mother's side who served in WW1 or WW2, as a naval officer, but I dont know his name at all, mother's family name is Bruns, I dont know what other information is there for her relative.. I have worked as a machinist's helper in MCAS Cherry Point/ NAVAIR Havelock, NC for 10 weeks as an intern, and have much respect for those who put their lives on the line for us civvies

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    But yeah that's my military family history that I know or, except for the Scottish side of me. You guys ever seen Brave Heart? Well that blue and white sign that Mel Gibson paints on his face is my Clan's logo or sign, it has a techinical name of somesort but I'm uncertain of what it's called.
    If it is a white cross on a blue field, it will be a Saltire.

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    last year i contacted the german archive for former wehrmacht soldiers, they have the complete unit history of nearly every person who ever did anything in the german army. i had to wait 6 months for the answer letter, but the informations i got were very interesting.

    my mothers' dad (i dont say grandfather to him because he died before i was born) joined the Waffen SS in 1940. in 1941 he participiated in 'Unternehmen Barbarossa', the raid on the soviet union, he was in a SS Division in the Heeresgruppe Süd (Krim, Oilfields of Baku...). in 1941 he got wounded for the first time, shot in the left lower leg by a russian semi auto rifle, joined the troops again 4 weeks later and was restationed with his unit in yugoslavia for anti partisan fighting. in 1943 he was wounded again in the same leg, but he staied with his unit, in 1944 he joined the 13. SS division "Handschar - kroatische Nummer 1", was wounded again in the _same_ leg and was then sent to germany as some kind of drill seargent in a SS training camp. in 1945 he got captured by the brits, braught to england where he had to repair war damages as a POW until 1948/9. they asked him to stay there but he refused and returned to austria, where he married my grandmother, who still lives in our hometown. he died in 1971 when my mum was 14.
    im not proud that he was in the SS, but it was his choice and times were different.
    Among all the stories, true or otherwise that have surrounded the SS over the last 60+ years somewhere is the truth. But, I have thought long and hard over the years about the men who joined the SS and some of the things they did and I have asked myself this question: If I were 18 or 19 at the time, would I have joined the SS? Newsreels showing them in their black uniforms and their reputation as an elite would have made it hard to resist. I think that setting aside the dark side of their reputation, they must have made up the most formidable large scale fighting unit in the war. My late Father in law saw both sides of the SS.

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    His brother, joined up with the British army. he fought with the 50th division in Normandy. While clearing out a farm house a few miles from the beaches, his platoon were attacked by some Germans. After a short fight the Germans waved a white flag. My granduncle and another chap were sent forward to capture them while the rest of the platoon covered them. All the Germans came forward at once except 2 who were behind the main group. As my granduncle moved toward them, one of the men leaned forward to reveal a machine gun strapped to his back, the other man pulled the trigger and sprayed the two soldiers. However the man with the machine gun leaned forward too far and ended up shooting both soldiers in the legs and shins. the British Platoon returned fire and killed both the Germans.

    The other guy was wounded and evacuated. My granduncle got one of his arteries severed and lost a leg. Luckily the field hospitals at the beaches were only 10 mins march from the front so he didn't die.
    My Father in law served in the Green Howards, part of 50 Div. as he referred to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by snniper77 View Post
    Father side:

    -->Grand Mother dad brothers all fought in Italy with the resistance against the facsist, luckily none of them died or get caught.
    Some friends of ours live near the small medievel walled town of Monteriggioni near Siena in Italy. If you go for a walk through the forest all of a sudden there is a memorial in a small clearing to Partisans who were executed in 1944 by the fascists. It is interesting to note the memorial clearly states Fascisti and not Germans or Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis E. Bear View Post
    My fathers uncle (granduncle?) was some type of commando in WW2. My dad says he was British green beret but I'm not aware of any units that wore green berets in ww2, but then again I haven't searched. All I know is that he was injured somewhere in Germany. I have no idea who to contact to get his service records etc. I'm assuming the MOD?
    There were Royal Navy Commandos, Royal Marine Commandos and Army Commandos. Although the modern day Commandos all come under the Marines and therefore the Navy and wear a green beret, I'm not sure if they did during the war. The best way to trace his records is probably to start with Regimental and Naval Associations and they can almost certainly point you in the right direction.

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    I believe the Army Commandos of WWII wore Green Berets - like the guys who came ashore with Simon Fraser at Sword beach on 6 June 1944.

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    The earliest military family history we can trace concerns a direct ancestor, Jean Trapaud, who, being a Protestant Hugenot, fled his town in the Dordogne region of France in the late 17th Century and brought his family to England. After a short period he had his own regiment, Jean Trapaud's Portugese Foot Regiment. In 1712, his son, John, joined his father's regiment at the age of 12 or 13 as a Cornet or Ensign. By 1741, he was a Lt. Colonel in the 7th Foot Regiment and 1752 was a full Colonel in the 39th Foot, now the Devon and Dorset Regiment. In 1754 he took the 39th to India becoming the first "Crown" regiment in the sub-continent gaining the title "Primus in Indus", still used by the Devon & Dorsets. He refused to go and relieve the Black Hole of Calcutta as he wanted too big a take of any plunder so the job went to a more junior officer. The name Clive of India went down in history whereas that of Adlercron (he'd changed his name by then) was lost in the mists of time. He did, however, donate 3 companies of his infantry to act as marines in the successful operation. Oh, almost forgot then, he took part in the Battle of Dettingen in 1743 against the French in Germany alongside the Hanoverans. It is believed that when King George IIs horse bolted towards the French, it was Adlercron/Trapaud who caught it and turned the King back to the British lines. The Cheshire Regiment officially claimed that action although the were garisonned in Gibraltar at the time.

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    ok,I go with my grand-grandfather.


    He was born in Munich, Germany in 1924. he was drafted in 1943 and became a german paratrooper (fallschirmjaeger). after finishing training,he was send to the eastern front,were he was shot twice, but survived.after he recovered from his injuries,they(the command)sended him to france.after a long time doing nothing,the allied invasion started and his unit came in to heavy fights with the canadians.his unit fighted themselves the way out of france. they stayed in germany till april 1945,where his whole unit surendered.he came intro one of the american prisoner camps.because of his good english knowledge, he found many got friends under the guards.after he came free in 1946 he applicated for a visum in 1947.after coming to the US in 1948 he worked in a restaurant for a year. in 1949 ,after becoming a resident, he joined he army.because of his history as a paratrooper,he was assigned to the82nd airborne division. in the same year he meet my grand-grandma.she came from a rich family somewhere in the north.the funny thing was,that my grand-grandmas boyfriend was killed by germans during WW2. he and her married after he came back from korea in 1950/51 (don't know the year)he stated in the army till he reached the 20 years limit.after that they moved to kentucky, where my father was borne a couple of years later.

    that's his stoy

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    my late dad during the war. he looks like a kid !!!


    he, like many enlisted after pearl harbor. I think he was 17 and his dad had to sign the papers to get him in. he served on a cruiser. the USS Philadelphia CL-41. (Brooklyn class) he was an MM. oddly enough the philly left Pearl a day or 2 before the attack.



    his squadron provided gunfire support for the N Africa landings in Nov 42. later it provided support for Patton's drive across N Sicily. then later on to the battle of Salerno where they came under air attack by the germans. 2 ships in his squadron were damaged and had to be towed out of combat.



    Salerno Operation, September 1943 - A U.S. Navy destroyer lays a smoke screen during a "Red Alert" for air attack, off the Salerno invasion beaches in September 1943. Photographed from the port bridge wing of USS Philadelphia (CL-41). Note manned and ready 20mm and 40mm guns on Philadelphia and elevated fire control radar antenna and 5"/38 guns on the destroyer.

    Official U.S. Navy Photograph, now in the collections of the National Archives - 80-G-83243
    they finished up at the invasion of S France.
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    back home my mom became a rosie the riveter working in 2 war plants. her first year was assembly of the P-47 Thunderbolt engine. later she was transfered to another plant that built the B-25 Mitchell bomber for the rest of the war. my late grand father supervised loading bullets at a local ammo depot. I just recently came across some family photos from this time. my mom gave them to me.
    .......almost forgot my uncle. he was a licensed pilot before the war. he joined the USN to and they put his butt in the pilot seat of a Catalina flying boat. the black cat. he killed UBoats in the Atlantic and off S America.
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