Im not sure if they even HALO. But if they do, they most likely cross train with the Brits to do it because Eireland lacks the proper planes.Originally Posted by Vance
Question about the Irish Army Rangers
Does anyone know what plane they use to HALO out of? I can't seem to find anything online. Thanks.
Re: Question about the Irish Army Rangers
Im not sure if they even HALO. But if they do, they most likely cross train with the Brits to do it because Eireland lacks the proper planes.
According to this site they do HALO. http://www.military.ie/army/arw_parachuting.htm
I don't know about the plane they are using. Only plane in their inventory which can used as that is Casa CN235.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ope/cn-235.htm
there not likely to cross train with UK forces anytime soon
the Irish goverment would'nt like it plus the SAS had a habit of visting the south without invitation. Though who exactly the Irish army are going to engage in deep behind the lines raids against I could only imagine.
Martin sorry to correct you mate but they have cross trained with our forces, and recently too. Some of my old RAF Regiment mates got the chance to train with the ARW when they came over here on exercise, a couple of years after I'd left. The ARW lads all had HK53s decked out with fancy night vision scopes, which my mates had great fun playing with.
During the exercise, my mates were lying in a position on their airfield, which the ARW had the job of infiltrating. Night fell and it was pitch black. My lot suddenly see headlights about 100m in front of them at the edge of the perimeter. They look through their night vision scopes and see several truck loads of the ARW Rangers assault force arriving, with full headlights on! The Rangers then get out, in full view of the defenders, and start pointing out their targets to each other in the dark. Then they load their HK53s in full view of my lot (they could even hear the weapons being loaded!) and start advancing across open ground in the dark.
My mates let them get half way before letting the Rangers have it with GPMGs, LSWs and SA80s. Result - the pride of Ireland's military having to execute a speedy withdrawal with most of their number "dead". My mates couldn't believe it, these so-called elite special operators making such basic fieldcraft and tactical errors, when they were supposed to be covertly infiltrating an installation, and being defeated by some knuckle dragging rockapes!
Thanks for the info guys.
Hey, they were just drunk. Jeez.
The french magazine RAIDS had two articles with about 50 colour pics on the ARW about 2 years ago. One was on "black" ops and the other on "green ops".
A few problems with this story, the ARW only use the HK53 in the sniper support role, they are just about the only unit in the IDF that haven't trained with UK forces (not to mention the difficulty of seeing through NVE when someone's shining headlights at them.
Futher although individual Irish personell at staff level do take part in UK military exercises there has never been a unit or subunit deployed on these exercises.
Although the Defence forces maintain a close military relationship with the BA, RN and RAF this consists mostly of exchanging personnel for courses of instruction.
The ARW usually HALO from foreign aircraft with the foreign SFs they DO train with, however in order to maintain the standard of training the CN-235s have been used as was a C-27J flown by air corps pilots on a sales visit.
Basic parachute qualifications are done on the Fr172 fleet and helicopter parachuting (from AIIIs) is also practiced regularly.
yep but theyr still part of the irish army not exactly the most professional orginisation in the world. I've seen them on border ops in Donegal
Yeah, it's about time we get a serious thread going on about Northern Ireland...with all the Brits on this site there could be some interesting stories the Yanks would like to hear about and put to use in Iraq.
Qualify this statement please what is your experience of the Irish army and hwo exactly did you measure their proffessionalism?
Were you looking at reserve or regular personell, reserve units are a whole other ball game and until the restructure of the reserve is complete they cannot be considered as representative of the Army as a whole.
Furthermore how would you explain the British military authorities ranking of the Irish army as the seventh best land army in the world?
Or the fact that much of our training is identical to British training methods?
I might also challenge you to talk to any of the Swedish, Finnish, Australian, New Zealand or Dutch troops who are or have been on ops with Irish soldiers in the last decade I don't think you'll hear much support for your theory.
ARW do their HALO training in Sweden, they also do their arctic training there too. Close target recce & close protection training is done in the UK. Jungle training was done in Australia prior to the Timor deployment.
Also, individual soldiers (both ARW & conventional troops) have done jungle training in Belieze & the Brecons course (the latter on a fairly regular basis).
I'd also like to know how Mark.Tigger id'ed the rangers in Donegal, since they have the same uniforms & equippment as the rest of the army and they aren't in the habit of wearing their green berets in public.
Rangers are not run of the mill in any sense. Considering who they cross train with, I dont believe the Republics Rangers would let themselves down under critical gaze. Gents, lets not let this get into a mud slinging contest - it would be interesting to hear about what the Irish army does/tactics/training etc in a convivial atmosphere.
rgds
we're talking Irish military vehicle sitting with doors unlocked and 4 steyr assualt rifles+ ammo, radio kit etc sitting in car park and no sign of soldiers. VCP them all sitting in vehicles because it raining.
BTW the number fo infractions of UK airspace in northern ireland has never been documented but from mates in newry you're looking at 20+incidents a month. About Navigation round the border an Irish army patrol was chased by i think the Royal Marines a good 2-3 miles back to the border. Then there is the training and supplying of the IRA by the Irish army in the 70's in donegal. The now documented plans to invade northern ireland in 1969. There is of course the murder of an Irish army patrol in lebanon by one of its own solidiers. Then there is the sightings and detentions of Irish soldiers with Known IRA players. This is before I mention the tales from former irish soldiers now in british army.
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