Medak Pocket

[Holmer]

Be honest: to you we were all the same kind of barely european, balkan-sh..! Wonder if you had some nick-name for us (well, vietnamese were gooks (sp), Iraqis are sand-nig..., what was our name?)

To be honest, I have never heard of a slang word for Croats.

In the end, the UN had one big opportunity to show how much they cared for civillians and showing how neutral they were, but they prefered to retreat, drink a rakija with the winner, hand over their weapon, jeeps and APC's and let him kill 7.000-8.000 men.

I completely agree with you. The United Nations fails every day in their desire to help civilians in war zones. Had I been in your shoes, I would have much preferred to see Nato troops or Croatian troops for that matter rather then UN troops.

[EvanL]

Wow some people havent been able to get their hands on a good goat to **** lately.
Cranky? I can supply you with some Moose. Or perhaps a beaver.

[cobalt545]

w00t! Caption contest!:



"Hmm... which end am I suppose to point at the enemy again..?"

What if he was a Vandoo?

"Eye wunderr 'ow much eye could get fer dis if eye try doo sell dis on da black market?"

Hahaha
I bet your PPCLI

What gave you that idea?

[cagey veteran]

any local civvy was called a Yak.example:" there are a bunch of yak kids beating up that gypsy kid again by the front gate"

[cobalt545]

[quote="Holmer"]

I completely agree with you. The United Nations fails every day in their desire to help civilians in war zones. Had I been in your shoes, I would have much preferred to see Nato troops or Croatian troops for that matter rather then UN troops.

Honestly, I would never work for the UN again. Too much beaurocracy and corruption. When I served in UNTAC in Cambodia I had to deal with UN civilian workers who would rather be tourists than be in their offices getting any actual work done. And then there were the third world armies who never left their camps and would steal anything that wasn't nailed down. We would deliver supplies to their camps to last them for a month but we would end up delivering the same amount of supplies a week later because they would sell it or trade it locally. It also didn't help that sometimes these guys weren't getting paid by their own nations and their UN pay would go into the pockets of politicians in their homeland.

[expat007]

@ cro-mag
Hopefully, you're just being a bit of a d*ck and not all Croatians are as ignorant as you. I hope not as I hear it's quite a nice country you have there, and I wouldn't mind visiting sometime.

Actually, Croatia is pretty cool to visit. Zagreb is an excellent city to go hang out. The great thing about it was you can have a great time and it won't cost you an arm and a leg. I was there for four days and it only cost me 200 Euros. I spent the same amount of time in Vienna and it cost me 500 Euros! Someday I'll go back again.

Yeah, some mates of mine went on holiday round SE europe. They passed through Croatia and the dalmation coast and loved it. They were just backpacking with a tent, some nights they'd just stop in a village and ask a farmer if they could sleep in their fields, most said yes. Great place, nice people!

So, no, I don't think all Croats are w*nkers cro-mag!

so you have't met a Dalmatian (you should't speak anything like this in Dalmatia you could loose a head pretty fast) and don't wory, even you are wellcome

You talk a lot of sh#t for a guy who has a krishna band's name as his SN, ray of today would not approve.



"Sticks and stones may break my bones but cancer will probably kill me"

[Panzer laid]

w00t! Caption contest!:



"Hmm... which end am I suppose to point at the enemy again..?"

What if he was a Vandoo?

"Eye wunderr 'ow much eye could get fer dis if eye try doo sell dis on da black market?"

Or a PRes:

"Sh*t, we only got one hour to spend on this in training.... what's it called again?"

haha, thats why hes checking the instructions panel

Hey ! Joe ! Guess where I saved my Moslson beer !

[Panzer laid]

@ cro-mag

Yup, take the moral high ground mate. A couple of canucks commited a crime. The response of the Canadian government was quite telling...they disbanded the whole bloody regiment!

Don't get all high and mighty defending your lot by making out that Canadian peacekeepers were criminals. They were there, risking their own arses, to sort out YOUR ****. It was YOUR lot who shot at them (for whatever reason) and Skaman only started this thead to bring light to an incident where Canadian peacekeepers were yet again risking thier lives. We were there to protect those without weapons from ALL sides who were being murdered by the warring factions.

Personally, I think we should have just left you lot to slot eachother if this is all the appreciation we get. Then we could move down to the balkans once you were all dead and had ourselves a nice holiday spot.

Hopefully, you're just being a bit of a d*ck and not all Croatians are as ignorant as you. I hope not as I hear it's quite a nice country you have there, and I wouldn't mind visiting sometime.

Bloody Right !! I buy a beer ! u English man like Honey Brown ?

who shot up the white unarmoured cdn iltis(jeep) in 92--93 and shot the 2 cdn soldiers, the truck is in the war mueseum with i think over 100 holes in it or something... and the 2 lads have a few nice scars to show for it.
That was in Croatia. No?

Man are you serious?

You are asking us who shot the white jeep?
How can we know where it was shot and who shot it. Maybe it were the croats, maybe serbs maybe some canadians got drunk and tought they were shooting a white elephant....

impossible !! u guys don't have Molson Canadian

By the way ! I believe most Canadian soldiers wouldn't be happy or exciting when he or she killed another person.

[cro-mag]

You talk a lot of sh#t for a guy who has a krishna band's name as his SN, ray of today would not approve.

what did I say?? i'm not some war freak it's just sad thing that Canadian prepension officer claimed someone else "sucess"... besides maybe Harley will agree with me.. :P
you saw that sad video someone posted.. one false after another some of them, in a good will, we can suscribe to pure ignorance... at the end they admit finding 16 bodies some of them solider's hahah
what suprise me is that non here admits that UN try to legalise results of ethinc cleansing in Croatia.. at the end of 20th century.

one scene from life of UN troops in Croatia.. me and my crew made a deal to take a few UN troops in crocodile hunting dumb asshols wet they feet in river strem for 4 hours out of time and space they all were.. good picture of UN

[Sabre]

@ cro-mag

Yup, take the moral high ground mate. A couple of canucks commited a crime. The response of the Canadian government was quite telling...they disbanded the whole bloody regiment!

Don't get all high and mighty defending your lot by making out that Canadian peacekeepers were criminals. They were there, risking their own arses, to sort out YOUR ****. It was YOUR lot who shot at them (for whatever reason) and Skaman only started this thead to bring light to an incident where Canadian peacekeepers were yet again risking thier lives. We were there to protect those without weapons from ALL sides who were being murdered by the warring factions.

Personally, I think we should have just left you lot to slot eachother if this is all the appreciation we get. Then we could move down to the balkans once you were all dead and had ourselves a nice holiday spot.

Hopefully, you're just being a bit of a d*ck and not all Croatians are as ignorant as you. I hope not as I hear it's quite a nice country you have there, and I wouldn't mind visiting sometime.

Bloody Right !! I buy a beer ! u English man like Honey Brown ?

He he, cheers. But I'm not English, I'm Canadian/British...and a pint of bitter will do nicely!

...every tried making them safe with a safety pin ? Never was any good at it

Nah, once it's up there's only one way it's coming down!

Anyway, we tend to just electrically detonate them with a bit of black+tan cord and a 9volt battery.

[memphiz]

w00t! Caption contest!:



"Hmm... which end am I suppose to point at the enemy again..?"

What if he was a Vandoo?

"Eye wunderr 'ow much eye could get fer dis if eye try doo sell dis on da black market?"

Hahaha
I bet your PPCLI

What gave you that idea?

Sneaking suspicion

[shadower]

Go to Publications.If you go to pictures galeries they will be GRAPHIC.

http://www.veritas.org.yu/

[cobalt545]

w00t! Caption contest!:



"Hmm... which end am I suppose to point at the enemy again..?"

What if he was a Vandoo?

"Eye wunderr 'ow much eye could get fer dis if eye try doo sell dis on da black market?"

Hahaha
I bet your PPCLI

What gave you that idea?

Sneaking suspicion

\m/

[Hrvat-seljak-katolik]

It’s been a while since the last posting on this topic, but nevertheless…

I have only recently became aware of the Canada’s dominant picture of this whole Medak Pocket episode, and I am still surprised that – in spite of the blatant implausibility of the Canadian account, and its inconsistency with available documentation – no serious criticism ever occurred.

The text below I already posted on another forum, I’m just hoping to get any respond.


“I’m afraid there never was a battle between Croatian troops and Canadian (and French) peacekeepers. I guess there was a certain degree of mutual mistrust and disrespect, and it is true that after the Medak Pocket operation some minor incidents happened, but it’s hard to call those incidents “a battle”.

I do not intend to question the honesty of Canadian soldiers, of course. The source of the impression of “the greatest battle of the Canadian Army since the Korean War” – as well as of the romanticised interpretation of the role Canadians played in the events during and after the operation – lies in quite unusual claim that Croats, or some Croatian media (mostly television, but in some versions it is local radio), confirmed 27 dead (or dead and wounded) in the battle with Canadian blue helmets. But this seems to be simply made-up – or, at least, the result of misunderstanding and lousy translation.

The Canadian media’s interpretation of the events have never been taken seriously in Croatia. (Unfortunately, for that interpretation seems to be commonly accepted in Canada and I guess it does certain damage to Croatia.) Indeed, anyone acquainted with the political and military situation in Croatia and Bosnia-Herzegovina in 90s, will found claims of there being a battle between UN and Croatian forces extremely implausible.

However, I have find no single report from a Croatian source of the time – or even from a Serbian source, for that matter – which confirms or implies that supposed battle between Croatian and Canadian forces ever took place. Moreover, I’ve find not a single vet of the Croatian 9th Guard Brigade who affirms any battle with UN forces ever occurred. And during Ademi-Norac trial, UN officials explicitly denied there was anything more than minor fire-exchange with no casualties. Most important, no political or military document from the time considered – Croatian, Serbian or UN’s – mentions this alleged battle. The correspondence between general Bobetko and general Cot at the time during and after the operation confirms there were some tensions between Croats and Canadians, but certainly no battle.

Now, the Croatian figures report 10 deaths on Croatian side during that period, all killed in combat with Serbian forces, not Canadian. I think this number includes members of the Special Police forces killed on Velebit mountain prior to the operation, for some documents talks of only 6 men killed. By the end of the war in 1995, the total losses of the 9th Guard Brigade were 56 dead. And, if I remember well, all Canadian and French wounded were harmed in a minefield (about a week after the battle supposedly happened) or during the shelling of the Serbian positions - none of them wounded by any sort of infantry weapon.

Of course, I might be wrong, but taking all into account it seems highly unlikely that alleged battle between Croats and Canadians ever happened. I don’t say that soldiers just made all up for some reason – after all, there are documents reporting minor incidents, warning shots and, probably, some fire-exchange – but calling that “a battle” is, at best, an exaggeration.”

[homerjsimpson94]

My military isn't in the habbit of handing out citations to units for "fictitious" battles.

I was (and still am) with 2VP during that tour and although not directly involved with the Medak Operation, we were still shelled (directly or indirectly) by the Croat forces on more than one occasion.

The clash between us and the Croats did happen, I just think that because the Croats got their asses handed to them, they like to pretend that nothing happened or play down the incident.

But hey, thats just one soldiers opinion...