Reply With QuoteOriginally Posted by He219
Indeed they do.
A Russian soldier sits on a tank in Karabulak, Ingushetia, Tuesday, June 22, 2004.
thats REactive armour, not active!!!
Indeed they do.
A Russian soldier sits on a tank in Karabulak, Ingushetia, Tuesday, June 22, 2004.
A Russian tank T-90S, which is capable of firing laser-guided missiles at land targets and helicopters, rides during the Expo Arms-2004 exposition in the testing ground near Nizhny Tagil, Russia, about 900 miles east of Moscow, in this July 8, 2004 photo
Indeed they do.
A Russian soldier sits on a tank in Karabulak, Ingushetia, Tuesday, June 22, 2004.
thats REactive armour, not active!!!
Well, you lost me there Wodan. By your understanding, what is "active armor"? There certainly is none on either the Puma IFV or the Boxer.
there is none yet!
but MUSS is active armour, as example
Multifunction Self Protection System (MUSS)
The prototype system is currently under development at Krauss Maffei Wegmann and EADS under a technology evaluation of the Federal office of Defense Technology & Procurement (BWB). During the test phase, the system was mounted on a Leopard 2 tank which successfully defended itself against various missile threats. MUSS weighs 65 to 160kg, depending on the equipment application, uses a combination of four sensors each covering an arc of 95x70 degrees, with a resolution of +/- 1.5 degrees. The sensors employ UV missile launch signature and laser detectors. When a threat is detected, the system responds within 1 – 1.5 seconds activating a smoke screen or directing infrared jamming signal toward the launching platform. During testing integration of the MUSS was designed for BOXER, FENNEK, and PUMA vehicles, as well as the Leopard 2A5 tanks.
ah well, alright ... sorry i asked.
For your information, the russians pionieered active defence systems in the mid 80s. It is not called "active armor" and it is the west which only now is catching up with russian technology.
Thats a soft kill system, thats all. Nothing revolutionary....there is none yet!
but MUSS is active armour, as example
well I don't really cared about it being able to fit in a C130 because we don't have enough of them anyways.
the added value of a Boxer based howitzer is in it's speed and low maintainablity. This is usefull for quick redeployments or peacekeeping operations.
I don't mean to replace the towed howitzers with self propelled ones, I want to add on the abilities of the self propelled howitzer units.Having a towed howitzer replaced with a self propelled one, would negate all advantages of having artillery very quickly deployed by helicopter also. Both have their place.
besides our government allready decided to get rid of all towed weaponry
Well, if you call the MUSS to active armour, then yes, from 1983...
Drozd APS @ armor.kiev.ua
Arena APS @ armor.kiev.ua
But the MUSS as i think are not active armour (or correctly "Active Protection System') just an EOCMDAS (electro-optical counter-measures defensive aids suite), like the Shtora-1.
Shtora-1 @ armor.kiev.ua
Does the Active Protection System really work? And how does it work? =)Well, if you call the MUSS to active armour, then yes, from 1983...
Drozd APS @ armor.kiev.ua
Arena APS @ armor.kiev.ua
But the MUSS as i think are not active armour (or correctly "Active Protection System') just an EOCMDAS (electro-optical counter-measures defensive aids suite), like the Shtora-1.
Shtora-1 @ armor.kiev.ua
x2VBCI seems to be a good vehicle too, but it’s sad that Europeans couldn’t find a way to cooperate on such a program.That was probably the case. The infantry combat version(VCI) of the Giat VBCI has a one-man turret with a 25mm cannon.
It would have been a major step in European defence if four of the major armies in Europe had a single family of wheeled APC/IFV!! And it would have saved money!!!
In Europe a lot of countries make their own IFV/MRAV/APC... which look all very similar ! European should cooperates, but the industrial lobbies are powerful...
I linked all three system review from Vasiliy Fofanov'sDoes the Active Protection System really work? And how does it work? =)Well, if you call the MUSS to active armour, then yes, from 1983...
Drozd APS @ armor.kiev.ua
Arena APS @ armor.kiev.ua
But the MUSS as i think are not active armour (or correctly "Active Protection System') just an EOCMDAS (electro-optical counter-measures defensive aids suite), like the Shtora-1.
Shtora-1 @ armor.kiev.ua
Modern Russian Armour Page. Read it.
Damn stupied meI linked all three system review from Vasiliy Fofanov'sDoes the Active Protection System really work? And how does it work? =)Well, if you call the MUSS to active armour, then yes, from 1983...
Drozd APS @ armor.kiev.ua
Arena APS @ armor.kiev.ua
But the MUSS as i think are not active armour (or correctly "Active Protection System') just an EOCMDAS (electro-optical counter-measures defensive aids suite), like the Shtora-1.
Shtora-1 @ armor.kiev.ua
Modern Russian Armour Page. Read it.hehe sorry for that mate
Is there any plans to build a Boxer variant with a turret? Either as an IFV with a 25-30mm gun or a MGS with a 105-120mm gun. It was mentioned in the very early states that an IFV variant was possible but its never been mentioned again. I assume since neither Germany or the Netherlands have a need for it to fill that role. They have the Puma and CV90 respectively.
Bump. In the meanwhile there have been many more posts about the Boxer, in several different threads. I try to group them but could we stick to one thread in the future please?
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...irst-BOXER-APC
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...rman-GTK-BOXER
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...nistan-in-June
Posted in Afghanistan - Germany's contingent thread:
Boxer in AFG pics and story:
In Camp Marmal, the Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles (ATV) were prepared for their mission in Afghanistan. When their crews arrive in the next days, the modern armored transport vehicles will further increase the combat effectiveness of the force in the north of Afghanistan.
"The Boxer ATVs are all combat-ready," states an employee of Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) in Camp Marmal. On the 23rd and 24th of July, two Antonov transport aircraft brought a total of five Boxer ATVs to Mazar-e Sharif. After they were unloaded on the airfield of Camp Marmal, the armored transport vehicles were immediately examined as to any possible damages during the flight. Then, the functions of the electronic systems had to be tested under the climatic conditions in Afghanistan. Within five days, all vehicles had been checked and are now ready for their handover to the Task Force (TF) MES. When the TF MES has taken over the Boxers, soldiers will deploy to the Observation Post (OP) North with four of them. In patrol operations, it provides high combat power through modern optics and remote-controlled weapon stations.
Smooth maintenance and repair
A smooth maintenance and repair of these vehicles is of enormous importance to the force due to their protective performance. Thus, large amounts of spare parts are kept ready by KMW in Camp Marmal. The same amount is planned for the OP North. Soldiers have been previously trained for smaller repair works in OP North by KMW in Aachen, Germany. A fifth Boxer ATV is retained in Camp Marmal as an exchange reserve in order to be able to quickly react to failures. In case a Boxer breaks down, the replacement vehicle is immediately provided to the TF MES. The broken down vehicle will be brought to Camp Marmal, unless it can be repaired in the OP. There the required repair is carried out.
The Boxer ATV is based on a modular system. It can be used as group transport, command or medical vehicle, depending on the requirements. For this, individual assemblies have to be exchanged.
Improved protection for the soldiers
The safety of soldiers inside the vehicle has also reached new levels. For example, the seat belts contain airbags which – just like in a regular vehicle – inflate upon impact and protect the soldiers.
The Boxer ATV does not only have a different look than the Dingo and the Eagle. It also provides soldiers with extensive stowage space for weapons, ammunitions and other materiel in the crew compartment. The seats can be adjusted in height and slid towards the middle of the crew compartment or towards the outer hull. In addition, there are height-adjustable headrests for optimal relief of the neck area. The armrests between the seats also serve as rifle holders.
A special feature for the soldiers is the possibility to heat up water inside the vehicle by means of an installed 2-stage electric kettle. One ready-made meal of the field ration of a soldier also fits in a part of the electric kettle. Soldiers can directly tap the warm water from a faucet. In this way, the Boxer ATV can also support soldiers with regard to their physical sustainability. No food no fight.
“The idea is that the crew can remain aboard the Boxer with their rations for at least 72 hours," said Henning D., employee of KMW in Camp Marmal. For this timeframe, other areas have to be considered as well. Toilet seats can be quickly installed by hand under the seats. Afterwards, the inbuilt feces bag is disposed of and the seat cushion reinstalled.
After all, however, the added value for soldiers on missions lies in the improved mine protection and the ballistic protection against fire from medium-caliber weapons. The Boxer ATV enables soldiers to operate autonomously on the battlefield and in the end increases the combat effectiveness of the infantry group by its improved protective equipment.
110702-O-XXXXK-001 MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan. (July 28, 2011) The first German Army Boxer Armored Transport Vehicles deployed to Northern Afghanistan arrive at Camp Marmal, International Security Assistance Force, Regional Command North. The Boxer is equipped with modern optics and remote-controlled weapons stations and provides improved protection to its crews. (RC North Public Affairs photo by Tech. Sgt. Florian Krumbach/Released) Pressestelle_MeS/Krumbach
Posted in the Daily Pictures Thread of 28-29 April 2012:
The Bundeswehr is hosting 'Military Contacts 2012', a five-day event during which it is presenting weapons systems and other capabilities at several military bases in Germany to representatives of OSCE member states.
Posted in the Algerian Army thread:
13.01.2011
http://www.handelsblatt.com/unterneh...l?p3762600=all
1 Jan 2012
http://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/...ion_201201.pdf
Brochures :
BOXER brochure 2011
Data sheet Ambulance Vehicles
Data sheet Armoured Engineer Group Vehicle
Data sheet Armoured Personnel Carrier
Data sheet Battle Damage Repair Vehicle
Data sheet Cargo Vehicle
Data sheet Cargo/C2 Vehicle
Data sheet Command Post Vehicles
Data sheet Driver Training Vehicle
Data sheet Infantry Fighting Vehicle
Some more.
From the Dutch Military Pictures thread:
And from the January 26th, 2012 Daily Pictures thread:More from the Boxer ambulance, pictures taken at Eurosatory 2006.
With that guy standing behind it the size really shows. It's massive.
PS. higher res pictures can be downloaded at Deagel.com
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post5996503
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