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    And to finish,the one that never been under spanish flag and the most ambicious program:The Carlos III BB.
    The government of Primo the rivera in 1927 propiciated a contract with a Weimar republic industry,blohm und voss.This arrangement was to design a brand new ship to deploy on both spanish navy(afectated after the defeat of germans in WWI)and weimar fleet,which units were all before he WWI and never more than 10.000 tons.Blohm und Boss starting Working with their plans of the Emden kriegsmarine cruiser.the crack of 1929 made that the economic power of the armada pull down,and they had to retire from service all cruisers and battleships,excepting the most rentable and modern,this is,the projected canarias and baleares,mendez nuñez class,navarra class,and almirante cervera's class.In battleships,the economic ruin made that the only battleships on spain were the awful and deficient 'España' class,the most small dreadnought even built.Alfonso XIII was derrocated,and the new Republic re-started the project in 1931,and combined the B&V designs with the Carlos V plantilla.
    The result was this ,a good looking battleship,strong,fast and big,a perfect flagship,similar to the german 30's projects and similar to the 1913 Carlos V battleship.In 1933 the Nazis reached the power in germany so B&V left the program to work in Prinz Eugen,Scharnhorst and Gneisenau,and later,in the all-powerful Bismarck.So,the republic continued the program by its own.In 1935,The contract re-begun,and the battleship structure was practically completed.They added some superstructures and more cannons to the ship
    Finally,the Civil War exploded and the republic sold The Carlos III to Argentina,wich sold it to Brazil in 1938.In brazil was used for flagship under the name 'Minas Gerais'.It was the perfect(And the only ship on brazil)that could defeat German cruisers or battleships.but,remember that these ships was built by B&V,and when the 'minas gerais' was stuck on the coast,the Brazilian engineers had no repost materials to getr it out.So,they abandoned it and later they mounted a museum(actually,on Sao Luis bay)of that battleship.
    Guns:8x 376 mm 4 x 120 mm,2 x 200 mm,8 x 75 mm (AA and antiship)
    6 x 55 mm(AA),2x 20mm quadruple barrel cannon(AA),12 hotchkiss 7'62 mm machine guns,8 Chatelleraut 7'62 mg's,4 FAO's (12'56 mm)
    Weight of broadside: 11706 lbs

    Main belt, 11.0 inches; bow and stern, 5.0 inches
    Upper belt, 6.0 inches
    Armor deck, average 3.0 inches
    C.T., 12.0 inches

    Battery armor:
    Main, 11.0" / secondary, 6.0"
    QF, 1.0" shields

    35000 tons full load
    Length: 234 meters
    wide :30 meters
    Max Speed:31 knots

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    im preparing a text of Swedish cruisers.Ideas?

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    quit while you're ahead...

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    What does mean that

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    oh this topic belongs to tactics/history section here we talk about politics and other stuff in todays world but your topic is great!

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    ok,i'll post on historic section later

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    On 1930 after the 'crack' and projected the Carlos III battleship,list of ships changed,and soon,Argonauta and Neptuno(Carlos V class)were retired of service.The rest of Battleships stayed out of service but don't retired.In order to provide the armada a single battleship class to replace the Carlos V class(for the economy of Armada)and get out the old España class.The program done the posibility for 2 newly concibed Alfonso XIII Battleships of 38.000 tons.The Carlos V's could be easily modified to create Carlos III vessels.And one Carlos V,as i almost said,were modded to make an aircraft carrier.Other was stuck of.In isabel la Catolica's Class,one was sold to Mexico(where survived from 1935 to 1957)and the other (Fernando el Catolico) at begginig was kept in service,but later the pieces and cannons were used to repair several ships on spanish civil war(1936-39),and finally were used by Empresa Nacional Bazan to construct the infructuous and ambitious 'D' class and to construct the powerful
    'San Francisco'cannon Battery,that soon were out of Ammo,on year 1946,when the BB ammo(produced on the 20's)finally get caducity.


    With the two new Carlos III class BBs soon in service, the list of the big gun vessels in active in the Armada was the following:

    BB Carlos III(on construction yard); 35.000t
    BB Principe de Asturias(on construction yard); ; 35.000t
    BB Isabel la Catolica; 26.000t
    BB Fernando el Catolico; 26.000t
    BC Lepanto; 25.000t
    BC Carlos V; 25.000t
    SBB (Short BB) España : 14.000 tons

    That left enough amount of tonnage (of the 210.000t allowed) to build another ship, and therefore in 1930 the decision to build another unit of the Carlos III class was taken. The initial works began in 1931, but due to economical problems were soon stopped. The project was therefore revised and altered, the basic project of the Carlos III modified and finally in 1935 the construction of the new ship was resumed. She was bigger and faster than her predecessors and had significant differences with the 2 Carlos III, but even if the treaty was no longer in effect, she was still a treaty BB. The ship was intended as Flagship of the fleet, and was given the name of the ruling monarch, Alfonso XIII.

    The Alfonso XIII soon after commisioning in the late 30s.


    Alfonso XIII, Spanish Battleship laid down 1935

    Displacement:
    33.755 t light; 35.923 t standard; 40.389 t normal; 43.800 t full load
    Loading submergence 1.568 tons/feet

    Dimensions:
    800,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 31,00 ft (normal load)
    243,84 m x 30,48 m x 9,45 m

    Armament:
    9 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 3 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
    18 - 5,12" / 130 mm guns (9 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
    24 - 1,46" / 37 mm AA guns
    20 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
    Weight of broadside 16.317 lbs / 7.401 kg

    Armour:
    Belt 14,00" / 356 mm, ends unarmoured
    Belts cover 87 % of normal area
    Main turrets 14,00" / 356 mm, 2nd turrets 2,00" / 51 mm
    AA gun shields 1,00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 0,50" / 13 mm
    Armour deck 4,71" / 120 mm, Conning tower 18,00" / 457 mm
    Torpedo bulkhead 0,80" / 20 mm

    Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 4 shafts, 128.003 shp / 95.490 Kw = 29,00 kts
    Range 15.500nm at 15,00 kts

    Complement:
    1.424 - 1.851

    Cost:
    £17,328 million / $69,314 million

    Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 2.040 tons, 5,0 %
    Armour: 12.546 tons, 31,1 %
    Belts: 3.191 tons, 7,9 %, Armament: 3.637 tons, 9,0 %, Armour Deck: 4.783 tons, 11,8 %
    Conning Tower: 459 tons, 1,1 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 477 tons, 1,2 %
    Machinery: 3.636 tons, 9,0 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.458 tons, 38,3 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.633 tons, 16,4 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0,2 %

    Metacentric height 6,1

    Remarks:
    Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
    Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent

    Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Relative margin of stability: 1,11
    Shellfire needed to sink: 43.963 lbs / 19.941 Kg = 26,3 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells
    (Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
    Torpedoes needed to sink: 5,4
    (Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
    Relative steadiness as gun platform: 55 %
    (Average = 50 %)
    Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0,56
    Relative quality as seaboat: 1,10

    Hull form characteristics:
    Block coefficient: 0,570
    Sharpness coefficient: 0,38
    Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7,13
    'Natural speed' for length: 28,28 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
    Trim: 50
    (Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

    Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
    Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 86,3 %
    Relative accommodation and working space: 149,1 %
    (Average = 100%)
    Displacement factor: 112 %
    (Displacement relative to loading factors)
    Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0,99
    (Structure weight / hull surface area: 198 lbs / square foot or 965 Kg / square metre)
    Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1,04
    (for 20,30 ft / 6,19 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 0,28 ft)
    Relative composite hull strength: 1,00[img]

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    On 1930 after the 'crack' and projected the Carlos III battleship,list of ships changed,and soon,Argonauta and Neptuno(Carlos V class)were retired of service.The rest of Battleships stayed out of service but don't retired.In order to provide the armada a single battleship class to replace the Carlos V class(for the economy of Armada)and get out the old España class.The program done the posibility for 2 newly concibed Alfonso XIII Battleships of 38.000 tons.The Carlos V's could be easily modified to create Carlos III vessels.And one Carlos V,as i almost said,were modded to make an aircraft carrier.Other was stuck of.In isabel la Catolica's Class,one was sold to Mexico(where survived from 1935 to 1957)and the other (Fernando el Catolico) at begginig was kept in service,but later the pieces and cannons were used to repair several ships on spanish civil war(1936-39),and finally were used by Empresa Nacional Bazan to construct the infructuous and ambitious 'D' class and to construct the powerful
    'San Francisco'cannon Battery,that soon were out of Ammo,on year 1946,when the BB ammo(produced on the 20's)finally get caducity.


    With the two new Carlos III class BBs soon in service, the list of the big gun vessels in active in the Armada was the following:

    BB Carlos III(on construction yard); 35.000t
    BB Principe de Asturias(on construction yard); ; 35.000t
    BB Isabel la Catolica; 26.000t
    BB Fernando el Catolico; 26.000t
    BC Lepanto; 25.000t
    BC Carlos V; 25.000t
    SBB (Short BB) España : 14.000 tons

    That left enough amount of tonnage (of the 210.000t allowed) to build another ship, and therefore in 1930 the decision to build another unit of the Carlos III class was taken. The initial works began in 1931, but due to economical problems were soon stopped. The project was therefore revised and altered, the basic project of the Carlos III modified and finally in 1935 the construction of the new ship was resumed. She was bigger and faster than her predecessors and had significant differences with the 2 Carlos III, but even if the treaty was no longer in effect, she was still a treaty BB. The ship was intended as Flagship of the fleet, and was given the name of the ruling monarch, Alfonso XIII.

    The Alfonso XIII soon after commisioning in the late 30s.


    Alfonso XIII, Spanish Battleship laid down 1935

    Displacement:
    33.755 t light; 35.923 t standard; 40.389 t normal; 43.800 t full load
    Loading submergence 1.568 tons/feet

    Dimensions:
    800,00 ft x 100,00 ft x 31,00 ft (normal load)
    243,84 m x 30,48 m x 9,45 m

    Armament:
    9 - 14,96" / 380 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 3 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
    18 - 5,12" / 130 mm guns (9 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
    24 - 1,46" / 37 mm AA guns
    20 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
    Weight of broadside 16.317 lbs / 7.401 kg

    Armour:
    Belt 14,00" / 356 mm, ends unarmoured
    Belts cover 87 % of normal area
    Main turrets 14,00" / 356 mm, 2nd turrets 2,00" / 51 mm
    AA gun shields 1,00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 0,50" / 13 mm
    Armour deck 4,71" / 120 mm, Conning tower 18,00" / 457 mm
    Torpedo bulkhead 0,80" / 20 mm

    Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 4 shafts, 128.003 shp / 95.490 Kw = 29,00 kts
    Range 15.500nm at 15,00 kts

    Complement:
    1.424 - 1.851

    Cost:
    £17,328 million / $69,314 million

    Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 2.040 tons, 5,0 %
    Armour: 12.546 tons, 31,1 %
    Belts: 3.191 tons, 7,9 %, Armament: 3.637 tons, 9,0 %, Armour Deck: 4.783 tons, 11,8 %
    Conning Tower: 459 tons, 1,1 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 477 tons, 1,2 %
    Machinery: 3.636 tons, 9,0 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 15.458 tons, 38,3 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 6.633 tons, 16,4 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 75 tons, 0,2 %

    Metacentric height 6,1

    Remarks:
    Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
    Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent

    Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Relative margin of stability: 1,11
    Shellfire needed to sink: 43.963 lbs / 19.941 Kg = 26,3 x 15,0 " / 380 mm shells
    (Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
    Torpedoes needed to sink: 5,4
    (Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
    Relative steadiness as gun platform: 55 %
    (Average = 50 %)
    Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0,56
    Relative quality as seaboat: 1,10

    Hull form characteristics:
    Block coefficient: 0,570
    Sharpness coefficient: 0,38
    Hull speed coefficient 'M': 7,13
    'Natural speed' for length: 28,28 kts
    Power going to wave formation at top speed: 49 %
    Trim: 50
    (Maximise stabilty/flotation = 0, Maximise steadiness/seakeeping = 100)

    Estimated hull characteristics & strength:
    Underwater volume absorbed by magazines and engineering spaces: 86,3 %
    Relative accommodation and working space: 149,1 %
    (Average = 100%)
    Displacement factor: 112 %
    (Displacement relative to loading factors)
    Relative cross-sectional hull strength: 0,99
    (Structure weight / hull surface area: 198 lbs / square foot or 965 Kg / square metre)
    Relative longitudinal hull strength: 1,04
    (for 20,30 ft / 6,19 m average freeboard, freeboard adjustment 0,28 ft)
    Relative composite hull strength: 1,00[img]

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    After a limited mid-life refit in the 20s, when new boilers were installed and the elevation of the main guns was increased, the Carlos V class underwent a major reconstruction in the 30s. Initially programmed in the early years of the decade, lack of funds delayed the works for years, and they eventually took place after the treaty had been abandoned by all the major nations. The main changes were:

    - New superestructures and conning tower.
    - New secondary armament, the standarized 130mm DP gun.
    - New light AA armament.
    - Lenghtening of the stern and the bow, new shape for better performance.
    - The upper belt and the armor of the ends of the ship removed to save weight.
    - New engines and boilers, max speed effectively increased to 29,5 knots, increased range.
    - New TDS.
    - Installation of aviation facilities amidships, 2-3 hidros.

    The Carlos V class during WWI


    The refitted Carlos V in 1937


    Carlos V class, 1937 refit

    Displacement:
    25.659 t light; 27.218 t standard; 29.623 t normal; 31.429 t full load
    Loading submergence 1.241 tons/feet

    Dimensions:
    720,00 ft x 96,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
    219,46 m x 29,26 m x 9,14 m

    Armament:
    8 - 13,78" / 350 mm guns (4 Main turrets x 2 guns, 2 superfiring turrets)
    16 - 5,12" / 130 mm guns (8 2nd turrets x 2 guns)
    30 - 1,46" / 37 mm AA guns
    20 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
    Weight of broadside 11.589 lbs / 5.257 kg

    Armour:
    Belt 11,00" / 279 mm, ends unarmoured
    Belts cover 93 % of normal area
    Main turrets 11,00" / 279 mm, 2nd turrets 2,00" / 51 mm
    AA gun shields 1,00" / 25 mm, Light gun shields 0,50" / 13 mm
    Armour deck 4,00" / 102 mm, Conning tower 12,00" / 305 mm
    Torpedo bulkhead 0,80" / 20 mm

    Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 4 shafts, 114.691 shp / 85.559 Kw = 29,50 kts
    Range 12.000nm at 14,00 kts

    Complement:
    1.128 - 1.467

    Cost:
    £13,964 million / $55,854 million

    Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 1.449 tons, 4,9 %
    Armour: 9.112 tons, 30,8 %
    Belts: 2.382 tons, 8,0 %, Armament: 2.851 tons, 9,6 %, Armour Deck: 3.215 tons, 10,9 %
    Conning Tower: 248 tons, 0,8 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 416 tons, 1,4 %
    Machinery: 3.179 tons, 10,7 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 11.820 tons, 39,9 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 3.963 tons, 13,4 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 100 tons, 0,3 %

    Metacentric height 5,6

    Remarks:
    Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
    Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent

    Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Relative margin of stability: 1,10
    Shellfire needed to sink: 30.305 lbs / 13.746 Kg = 23,2 x 13,8 " / 350 mm shells
    (Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
    Torpedoes needed to sink: 4,1
    (Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
    Relative steadiness as gun platform: 49 %
    (Average = 50 %)
    Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0,47
    Relative quality as seaboat: 1,00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almirante Gravina
    Almirante Cervera cruisers,not too bad,between Heavy Cruisers and Light cruisers,units in class:Libertad(ex-principe alfonso)(Sank on 1937 on spanish civil war)
    Hola Almirante! Just saying that light cruiser Libertad never was sank, in fact, although this ship fought in the loser side of war, it actually won all the combats if fought, namely battle of Cabo Cherchel and the battle in which cruiser Baleares was sank. Btw, a good overall information, I´ve never listened before about cruiser Carlos III.

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    Carlos III was only a ship that never were under spanish flag.U can visit it on brazil.

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    Most of this ships didn't fought on Spanish civil War.Bueno,supongo que eres Español,asi que en castellano te lo digo.Estos principios de barcos fueron hechos desde el programa de rearme naval de 1907.El gobierno de primo de rivera decidio ampliarlo aun mas,y se programaron los dos Carlos III,y con el crack de 1929,las grandes obras de los Ingenieros españoles antes y en la Igm se fueron a pique y no pudieron ser mantenidos.El Alfonso XIII,lanzado en 1935, se incendio en su viaje inaugural en marzo de 1936,poco antes de la explosion de la guerra civil.El resto de los barcos,o fueron hundidos o vendidos o revitalizados durante la guerra civil,hasta el punto que durante nuestra guerra de 1936 a 1939,los unicos acorazados en servicio en españa eran los de la clase España,que,pese a su potencia de fuego,en opinion de un servidor,no merecen ser llamados acorazados,y ambos fueron hundidos en 1937...no comments.
    Gracias por todo.

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    The first spanish aircraft carrier (apart from the conversion during WWI of one of the old protected cruisers in seaplane carrier), she was laid down in 1914 but works were stopped in early 1915, after existing resources were concentrated to finish the more advanced BBs and BCs.The Dedalo aircraft carrier was built in 1921,was a modified cargo ship.

    In 1918 the hull of the Argonauta laid incomplete next to his sister Neptuno in their slips at the Ferrol shipyard. That year spanish naval architects began the preliminar studies to convert the Argonauta and the decision to scrap the Neptuno was taken.

    By 1923 the new ship was finished, and she entered service with the fleet in 1924. Her airwing is composed of about 60 aircraft, 3 fighter and 3 torpedo bomber squadrons. A major refit (almost a reconstruction) was undertaken in the mid thirties, improving her ariwing and overall fighting value. Spain Got then two aircraft carriers,but the cheapest(Dedalo)remained in service,and the other was sold to Greek Royal Navy,where was sunk by a Italian submarine on mid 1941 during the WWII



    Conversion of the BC Argonauta in CV, 1923
    Areas in dark blue - Elevators

    Argonauta Aircraft Carrier, battlecruiser conversion, laid down 1923

    Displacement:
    22.852 t light; 23.510 t standard; 27.000 t normal; 29.684 t full load
    Loading submergence 1.131 tons/feet

    Dimensions:
    700,00 ft x 90,00 ft x 30,00 ft (normal load)
    213,36 m x 27,43 m x 9,14 m

    Armament:
    6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns (3 Main turrets x 2 guns, 1 superfiring turret)
    6 - 5,91" / 150 mm guns
    8 - 3,54" / 90 mm AA guns
    8 - 0,79" / 20 mm guns
    Weight of broadside 1.416 lbs / 642 kg

    Armour:
    Belt 6,00" / 152 mm, end belts 3,00" / 76 mm
    Belts cover 100 % of normal area
    Main turrets 6,00" / 152 mm, AA gun shields 1,00" / 25 mm
    Armour deck 2,60" / 66 mm, Conning tower 6,00" / 152 mm

    Machinery:
    Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
    Geared drive, 4 shafts, 170.771 shp / 127.395 Kw = 33,00 kts
    Range 14.000nm at 15,00 kts

    Complement:
    1.053 - 1.369

    Cost:
    £5,084 million / $20,335 million

    Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
    Armament: 177 tons, 0,7 %
    Armour: 4.054 tons, 15,0 %
    Belts: 1.619 tons, 6,0 %, Armament: 414 tons, 1,5 %, Armour Deck: 1.905 tons, 7,1 %
    Conning Tower: 117 tons, 0,4 %, Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0,0 %
    Machinery: 5.708 tons, 21,1 %
    Hull, fittings & equipment: 7.914 tons, 29,3 %
    Fuel, ammunition & stores: 4.148 tons, 15,4 %
    Miscellaneous weights: 5.000 tons, 18,5 %

    Metacentric height 5,5

    Remarks:
    Hull space for machinery, storage & compartmentation is adequate
    Room for accommodation & workspaces is excellent

    Estimated overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
    Relative margin of stability: 1,14
    Shellfire needed to sink: 29.953 lbs / 13.587 Kg = 290,9 x 5,9 " / 150 mm shells
    (Approx weight of penetrating shell hits needed to sink ship excluding critical hits)
    Torpedoes needed to sink: 2,7
    (Approx number of typical torpedo hits needed to sink ship)
    Relative steadiness as gun platform: 53 %
    (Average = 50 %)
    Relative rocking effect from firing to beam: 0,08
    Relative quality as seaboat: 1,06


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    Gracias, y échale un ojo a la discusión que se sigue sobre el C.de Gaulle.

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    podriamos decir que nuestra guerra civil tuvo consecuencias catastroficas sobre nuestra armada.Entre el Crack de 1929 y esta horrible guerra fraticida,perecio practicamente todo ingrediente del programa de rearme naval.Primero,el crack de 1929 tuvo sobre nuestra armada consecuencias a partir de 1930,con empresas subcontratadas alemanas que se arruinaron.La republica mejoro estas situaciones a partir del 32,y reanudaron los proyectos,pero las dificultades volvieron ****to,el Carlos III no pudo ser vendido a la armada( el ministerio de la guerra tenia que dar ingresos al ejercito de marruecos por la represion que ejercian sobre asturias en 1934)y cuando parecia que ese dia podia llegar,en 1936,estallo la guerra.El ejercito fiel a la republica vio que la mayor parte de galicia se mostro favorable a los nacionales,y el buque estaba en El Ferrol,cerca del dique del Canarias,todavia en fase de armamento.(ironias del destino?).Asi pues,la republica actuo con sobrada rapidez.Tomaron una tripulacion de unos 980 hombres(Algo menos de la mitad de la tripulacion)
    y lo lanzaron a alta mar antes que el puerto fuera tomado,cosa que sucedio 5 dias despues del alzamiento.El buque era comandado por Javier Masnou Padilla,que murio en el acorazado Jaime I,cuando una explosion interna lo hundio por definitiva en 1938.El buque,sin aparejo ni municion,no tenia posibilidades de dirigirse al sur,donde se habian desplegado destructores leales a Franco ( el Ceuta,Melilla,el Teruel y el velasco estaban poco mas al sur;El huesca se encontraba en asturias,y con todos esos se completan todos los destructores nacionales,en inferioridad numerica respecto a los republicanos)y batallaban con los submarinos (todos de la republica)y cruceros nacionales y republicanos.El Carlos III,un barco que hubiera podido machacar sin ningun problema a todos los destructores nacionales en el sur(por cierto,mandados por Carrero Blanco),sin municion era algo asi como una ballena perseguida por un tiburon.Los destructores,algo mas rapidos,le destruirian a base de torpedos,pues el acorazado estaba indefenso.Los submarinos no podian ir a auxiliarle,y los cruceros tampoco.La pequeña armada de mercantes armados organizada en el Pais Vasco intento enviarle un carguero con municion,pero fue avistado y hundido por el U-34(que curiosamente,meses despues hundiria el submarino republicano C3,que va a intentar ser rescatado)el carlos III fue atacado por dos SM's 79 con torpedos,pero la deficiencia de los torpedos italianos hizo que ninguno lo alcanzara y que uno de ellos tuviera que realizar un aterrizaje de emergencia en Sanjenjo(Pontevedra)al ser alcanzado por las pocas ametralladoras que el buque tenia montadas.Asi,la republica decidio venderlo a suramerica,de donde sus hombres fueron repatriados.

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