How they died..
You're kind of sadist
Just wanted to know...how much people died in poland during WW2 ? (not including jews) and were did the most of them died ? and how ?
thank for the helpers.
How they died..
You're kind of sadist
No i don't man...i just need to know that...i mean..they died in death camp like the jews ? or they killed during the war by bombs ?
An estimated 3 million none Jewish Poles were murdered in the Holocaust, apart from the 3 million Jewish Poles who were also murdered. All in all 6 million Polish citizens were murdered...Originally Posted by UoUo
As for the number of Poles killed in the war I don't know.
And in some incidents the killers were not Nazis but good catholics. Jedwabne, Poland, July 10th 1941, 1600 Jewish Poles killed by...their Polish neighbours. Although officially by "Nazis".
But they died in the death camps ?Originally Posted by S'13
I must make something clear, many Poles did collaborate with the Nazis and helped them commit atrocities and crimes againts their fellow countrymen, however many Poles saved Jewish live at great risk. The greatest number of Gentile rescuers of Jews were Poles. 5,733 Polish men and women hold the title of "Righteous Among the Nations".Originally Posted by duck
The 3 million murdered Poles that I mentioned were systematically murdered in the Holocaust, just like the Jews. So you could say they were murdered in the camps. However I'm sure you know that not all of the victims of the Holocaust were murdered in the extermination camps, many were murdered at the hands of the special killing units (Einsatzgruppen) who were used during the invasion of the Soviet Union and in massacres and in the killing fields. So it could be that some of the none Jewish Polish victims were not killed in the camps themselves (just like in the case of many Jewish victims).Originally Posted by UoUo
Yeah..i aware that many jews died in death march ...in act...Originally Posted by S'13
Anyway thank you for the help.
May be you forgot a sarcastic emoticon. Good catholics aren´t criminals, really, a religious one can´t be a criminal, being muslim, jew, christian or buddhist.Originally Posted by duck
Loco, an agnostic.
Don't want to nitpick, but Jewish partisants also have their "Jedwabne" . Ever heard about Massacre in Koniuchy. This case is investigated now by IPN(Special agency for investigating crimes commited against Polish citizens including: Jedvabne, Soviet crimes, etc...) so numbers aren't sure yet, random sources report 30 victims to even ~300.Originally Posted by duck
BTW real amount of Jewish victims in Jedwabne is around 340 people, as reavelaed recent examinations of burial places made by IPN, no full exhumation was performed b/c of request of Jewish organisations to not disturb rest of victims
We sentenced most of Jedwabne criminalist in fair trial right after the war, those who weren't by many reasons sentenced then as dead now in efect of IPN investigation were adjudged guilty for that crimes...Now is time for you to deal with your past...Encyclopedia: Massacre in Koniuchy
Article last updated: 9:30am, November 04, 2003
Database last updated: 3:26am, December 18, 2003
In 1944, probably in January, the Polish village of Koniuchy was wiped out by partisans from the Lithuanian brigade, under the command of Jacob Penner and Shmuel Kaplinsky. The village was not fortified, and the villagers had only a few old rifles. Children, women and old men were killed in cold blood. A total of about 130 men were killed.
After the war, some of the partisans boasted of the crime (including Chaim Lazaar, Israel Weiss, and Rich Cohen). Nobody was ever charged for this crime.
P.S. Officialy Poles murdered Jewish in Jedwabne by their own hands...Germans(Small amount) were "only" encouraging Poles by asisting that crime(This is still not sure if germans stayed at place of masacre) and leading Jews to place of masacre from city central square...Those are recent effects of investigation made by IPN, you can read more here only in polish: http://www.ipn.gov.pl/a_090702_wnioski_jedwabne.html
Edit: to be more correct changes are in bold
As speaking for where im coming from the Germans "rolled" over. As my dead grandpa told me the normal "Wehrmacht" were normal and almost always nice ppl to the Polish Civilians (Christians and Jews). The terror came some weeks after the front went through. Then came Waffen-SS and some "SD - Sonderdienst" Units who searched for jews. They deported most of them to the Death Camps but many were just taken from home and shot nearby. Some of them were just pulled out of their houses and executed on the street whereafter the non-jewish civilians had to burry them.
The real terror for the non-jewish civilians came with the partisans. A gruesome example is the wedding day of my grandma and grandma. On the same day the Nazis executed 27 people from the village and some other villages only some hundred meters away from the wedding of my grandma and pa. They executed a pregnant woman which was in around 7 th mont by shooting her in the stomach and some minutes later the finnished her of. There is a big monument on the cementary where my grandma lies on. All because there were partisan activities in nearby woods.
A friend of my grandfather was in Germany and worked as a slave for IG Farben while being internated in Dachau.
As you can see poland suffered on many ways. Not this "systematic" killing as the Polish jews but Polish ppl were the "Unterrasse" - Underrace in english. They were literaly slaves for the Nazis.
I dont know how it was on other parts of Poland but i think not too much other way.
Well investigation proved that there were no more than 300 killed in jedwabne (they were gathered in one barn not so big outside the city) and whole murder was supervised by german SS from Ciechanow.... but was commited by poles mainly,and 4 leaders of this lynching were after war sentenced for long terms (AFAIK for life ).Originally Posted by duck
wojsko mean military personel killed during war (i.e. during combat,in POW camps or murdered like 40000 polish oficers in Soviet Union)
Belgium - 88,000 (wojsko 12,000)
Brasil - 1,000 (wojsko 943)
British Commonwelth - 463,371 (wojsko 373,372)
-- Australia - 24,000 (wojsko 23,365)
-- Canada - 38,000 (wojsko 37,476)
-- India - 24,338 (wojsko 24,338)
-- New Zeland - 10,033 (wojsko 10,033)
-- South Africa - 7,000 (wojsko 6,840)
-- Great Britain - 357,000 (wojsko 264,443)
-- Colonies - 7,000 (wojsko 6,887)
China - 1,310,224 (wojsko 1,310,224) only military is known.
Czechoslovakia - 255,000 (wojsko 10,000)
Denmark - 4,000 (wojsko 3,006)
Filipines - 118,000 (wojsko 27,000)
France - 563,000 (wojsko 213,000)
Greece - 413,000 (wojsko 88,000)
Holland - 208,000 (wojsko 7,900)
Jugoslavia - 1,505,000 (wojsko 410,000)
Norway - 10,000 (wojsko 3,000)
Poland - 5,800,000 (wojsko 320,000)
USA - 298,000 (wojsko 292,131)
Soviet Union - 16,800,000 (wojsko 10,000,000)
Bulgaria - 20,000 (wojsko 10,000)
Finland - 84,000 (wojsko 82,000)
Japan - 1,972,000 (wojsko 1,300,000)
Romania - 500,000 (wojsko 300,000)
III Reich - 4,200,000 (wojsko 3,500,000)
Hungary - 490,000 (wojsko 200,000)
Italy - 395,000 (wojsko 242,232)
Albania - 28,000 (wojsko ---)
Luksemburg - 5,000 (wojsko ---)
Overal loses WW2: 53 000 000 people
Overal soldiers under arms during war: 110 000 000
Military expenditures: 935 000 000 000 $
Material Loses (Europa): 260 000 000 000 $
Soldiers 1945 r. (Europe): app. 14 900 000 soldiers (Soviet Union - 10 mln, USA - 3 mln, Commonwelth - 900 tys, Poland - 600 000, France - 400 000)
Countries involved: 72 out of 78
War handicaped: 30 000 000 osób
Loses per 1000 inhabitants (Poland): 220
Material loses per person. (Poland): 626 $
Allied loses in ships(brt): 20 815 496
German army in 1939 r.: 2 750 000 Soldiers
Jewish Loses (% means extermianted population in comparision to pre-war population also include migration during the war)
przed wojną=pre war po wojnie = post war
Ireland - (przed wojną 4,000, po wojnie 4,000) 0%
Great Britain - (przed wojną 350,000, po wojnie 350,000) 0%
Spain - (przed wojną 4,000, po wojnie 4,000) 0%
Turkey - (przed wojną 50,000, po wojnie 50,000) 0%
Sweden - (przed wojną 8,000, po wojnie 8,000) 0%
Demark - (przed wojną 7,000, po wojnie 7,000) 0%
France - (przed wojną 320,000, po wojnie 230,000) 28%
Belgium - (przed wojną 85,000, po wojnie 61,000) 28%
Holland - (przed wojną 140,000, po wojnie 35,000) 75%
Luksemburg - (przed wojną 2,000, po wojnie 1,300) 35%
Switzerland - (przed wojną 20,000, po wojnie 20,000) 0%
Norway - (przed wojną 2,000, po wojnie 1,200) 40%
III Reich - (przed wojną 230,000, po wojnie 50,000) 78%
Austria - (przed wojną 80,000, po wojnie 15,000) 81%
Czechosovakia - (przed wojną 315,000, po wojnie 45,000) 86%
Italy - (przed wojną 45,000, po wojnie 37,000) 17%
Poland - (przed wojną 3,250,000, po wojnie 250,000) 92%
Hungary - (przed wojną 400,000, po wojnie 100,000) 75%
Jugoslawia - (przed wojną 75,000, po wojnie 15,000) 80%
Greece - (przed wojną 75,000, po wojnie 10,000) 87%
Romania - (przed wojną 800,000, po wojnie 450,000) 44%
Bulgaria - (przed wojną 60,000, po wojnie 49,000) 18%
Soviet Union - (przed wojną 2,800,000, po wojnie 1,600,000) 43%
Lithuania - (przed wojną 155,000, po wojnie 20,000) 87%
Latvia - (przed wojną 95,000, po wojnie 10,000) 90%
Total - (przed wojną 10,092,000, po wojnie ok. 4,000,000) 61%
well first executions started in bydgoszcz during the september campaign in 1939 and were comited without doubt by Wermacht (they executed ppl on the market square just after capturing the city) Near Poznan polish POWs were tied with barbedwire and then burnt in barn, also wermacht work not SS nor police so wermacht started their carrer in poland of coude there were also good ppl in Wermacht one of them rescued my mather when she was child by probiding medicine for her.Originally Posted by Groove
In warsaw there was rule that for every killed by polish underground german soldiers 10 civilians wer executed...they (civilians) were chosed not from criminals but from ordinary ppl it was caled "Łapanki" and it means "Catching" germans blocked road then gathered ppl who were nearby and everybody who wasnt enployed in military industry was send to Concentration Camp or executed in street executions. It's the reason why polish underground fighted outside the cities since civilians suffered from actions inside the cities only top ranking germans were executed in street action like SS general (or colonel) Kutshera.
Poles executed by germans for helping jews
Poles (54) executed for killing 2 germans by partisans
Of course Wehrmacht commited crimes in Poland. But where my Grandpa is from its only little villages and he told my about the Front-Soldiers beeing "good" ppl to the civilians as i already mentioned.
I think the cituation were other in cities when some Waffen-SS were attacking with the regular troops.
Przemysl is not too far from where im from.