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    A War to Be Proud Of

    From the September 5 / September 12, 2005 issue: The case for overthrowing Saddam was unimpeachable. Why, then, is the administration tongue-tied?
    by Christopher Hitchens
    09/05/2005, Volume 010, Issue 47

    LET ME BEGIN WITH A simple sentence that, even as I write it, appears less than Swiftian in the modesty of its proposal: "Prison conditions at Abu Ghraib have improved markedly and dramatically since the arrival of Coalition troops in Baghdad."

    I could undertake to defend that statement against any member of Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International, and I know in advance that none of them could challenge it, let alone negate it. Before March 2003, Abu Ghraib was an abattoir, a torture chamber, and a concentration camp. Now, and not without reason, it is an international byword for Yankee imperialism and sadism. Yet the improvement is still, unarguably, the difference between night and day. How is it possible that the advocates of a post-Saddam Iraq have been placed on the defensive in this manner? And where should one begin?

    I once tried to calculate how long the post-Cold War liberal Utopia had actually lasted. Whether you chose to date its inception from the fall of the Berlin Wall in November 1989, or the death of Nicolae Ceausescu in late December of the same year, or the release of Nelson Mandela from prison, or the referendum defeat suffered by Augusto Pinochet (or indeed from the publication of Francis Fukuyama's book about the "end of history" and the unarguable triumph of market liberal pluralism), it was an epoch that in retrospect was over before it began. By the middle of 1990, Saddam Hussein had abolished Kuwait and Slobodan Milosevic was attempting to erase

    the identity and the existence of Bosnia. It turned out that we had not by any means escaped the reach of atavistic, aggressive, expansionist, and totalitarian ideology. Proving the same point in another way, and within approximately the same period, the theocratic dictator of Iran had publicly claimed the right to offer money in his own name for the suborning of the murder of a novelist living in London, and the génocidaire faction in Rwanda had decided that it could probably get away with putting its long-fantasized plan of mass murder into operation.

    One is not mentioning these apparently discrepant crimes and nightmares as a random or unsorted list. Khomeini, for example, was attempting to compensate for the humiliation of the peace agreement he had been compelled to sign with Saddam Hussein. And Saddam Hussein needed to make up the loss, of prestige and income, that he had himself suffered in the very same war. Milosevic (anticipating Putin, as it now seems to me, and perhaps Beijing also) was riding a mutation of socialist nationalism into national socialism. It was to be noticed in all cases that the aggressors, whether they were killing Muslims, or exalting Islam, or just killing their neighbors, shared a deep and abiding hatred of the United States.

    The balance sheet of the Iraq war, if it is to be seriously drawn up, must also involve a confrontation with at least this much of recent history. Was the Bush administration right to leave--actually to confirm--Saddam Hussein in power after his eviction from Kuwait in 1991? Was James Baker correct to say, in his delightfully folksy manner, that the United States did not "have a dog in the fight" that involved ethnic cleansing for the mad dream of a Greater Serbia? Was the Clinton administration prudent in its retreat from Somalia, or wise in its opposition to the U.N. resolution that called for a preemptive strengthening of the U.N. forces in Rwanda?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Hitchens
    ...Before March 2003, Abu Ghraib was an abattoir, a torture chamber, and a concentration camp. Now, and not without reason, it is an international byword for Yankee imperialism and sadism. Yet the improvement is still, unarguably, the difference between night and day...
    This double standard has been justified by the Usual Suspects as being because we should be held to a higher standard. Certainly we should be better, but to promulgate the idea that conditions in Iraq are just as bad or worse as under Saddam -- and by implictation we are just as bad -- betrays a perspective grossly distorted by political rivalry.

    The Illuminati look upon the possibility that Iraq may end up free and prosperous [consequent to Saddam's forcible removal] as a political disaster in the making.

    Thus they say that our troops are practicing genocide and are in Iraq to plunder. The construction projects, fostering of popular government, education of children, shipments of medical supplies, etc. that involve millions of Iraqis are virtually ignored in favor of trumpeting the results of violence fomented by thousands of 'insurgents' -- who hold not an inch of territory.

    We are hearing that naked pyramids and underwear on faces is the moral equivalent of the far more numerous amputations and summary executions under Saddam because Bush must be discredited at all costs, especially at the expense of the truth.

    No matter the consequences if we fail.

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    Yes, it must be admitted that Bush and Blair made a hash of a good case, largely because they preferred to scare people rather than enlighten them or reason with them.
    It would be admirable if the president could manage to make such a presentation. It would also be welcome if he and his deputies adopted a clear attitude toward the war within the war: in other words, stated plainly, that the secular and pluralist forces within Afghan and Iraqi society, while they are not our clients, can in no circumstance be allowed to wonder which outcome we favor.
    Think Karl Rove could learn a few things from reading Hitchens?

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    Sadly, Europe still thinks they live in a post-Cold War utopia.

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    Iraq.

    You yanks slaughter a few thousand soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians....
    Try to impose democracy upon the iraqis as they rise up in there thousands killing a couple or so thousand yank soldiers in the process....

    Iraq turns into another Iran by becomming another islamofascist state...

    Congrats America, brilliant. Clap clap.

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    Thank you for that incredible display of ignorance, or was it arrogance? Most likely both, but thanks anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avalanche
    Thank you for that incredible display of ignorance, or was it arrogance? Most likely both, but thanks anyways.
    You said it brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belrick
    You yanks slaughter a few thousand soldiers and tens of thousands of civilians....Try to impose democracy upon the iraqis as they rise up in there thousands killing a couple or so thousand yank soldiers in the process....Iraq turns into another Iran by becomming another islamofascist state...Congrats America, brilliant. Clap clap.
    While things were much better there under Saddam..


    But then who are we to interfere with an equally valid alternate lifestyle?

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