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[Connaught Ranger]

You've obviously never served in the idf then

But on another note, I didn't actually break any laws. I am allowed to catch rides infront of my kibbutz but only from kibbutz vehicles. The bus didn't come so often. That's the real reason I wasn't punished. But I still took rides freely all over the country.

CombatBoots.....we have a saying in the army for people like you who Loooooooove to cherish your precious rules and regulations...we call you ' zahov ' or yellow in english.

Most military forces worldwide have regulations and for good reason,

most military forces have their fair share of punks who think they are above

and beyond the regulations as well.

There are some "rules and regulations" on this forum too kid,

so be careful to whom you apply the term "yellow"

which is another insult / expression for coward.

Connaught Ranger.

[CombatBoots]

Doesn't matter now does it?
(Givati you made it personal, take it to IM though)

[Climber]

Is that complete with a hard-core North American accent with strong Rs?

It's just like being t'kua b'Tekoa (stuck in Tekoa), only it wasn't as green. Tramping wasn't forbidden then, and I even remember being sent out to grab one - by my lonesome - to get to Hadassah. This was before the Intifada. We were naive and dumb.

What was odd was that it was easier to get out of Lebanon for a week than it was to get from Ein Darajah for Shabbat. We'd be 100+ guys going home and there was one Safari or an old Egged bus to bring us to Jerusalem or Beit Sahur. It took 3 trips to get everybody out. One in a while the Battalion CO, his #2 or a Brigade officer would have a Renault staff car that could take 1-2 more. It was a basa for me because it was 1:00 or 2:00 by the time we got anywhere I could get a bus or start tramping home to the Arava. If I got to Kibbutz by 8:00 I was lucky. Some of the guys effectively ate it because the CO had docked them 2 hours on leaving, so they couldn't get out at all.

In comparison Lebanon had organized convoys, MAN Safaris on a schedule, and . . . with the right timing they'd take us (the Eilatis) to the Air Force transport wing at Ben-Gurion and I'd be on a 707 or Hercules. Bus or tramp from Eilat (or Uvda, much harder to do) and I'd be home, showered and in shorts by 4:00.

It all your fault for living down there.

Anyway, How I hated this when I lived in the middle of the Negev. Sometimes I preferred to go to a youth hostel in Tel Aviv and spend the Shabbat there and not being all the time riding Egged buses.

don't bull sh*t me....you know you hitch hiked too.....do you know i'd probably be dead today if i had not taken the tramp? I've been stranded so many times around the country. Tramping is the BEST. I have some great stories and met some great people by doing so. Especially being a lone soldier, so when i'd get F*cked over by my officers who let me out too late off base and then shabbat came through and I had no way of getting home. The army doesn't give a sh*t if I get home ok...they care if I COME BACK to base ok so I can fire their rifles, clean the kitchen and guard from 2-4am. Every IDF soldier here know's what im talking about




A military police vehicle came from the opposite direction on road 90 infront of my kibbutz. They pulled a U turn and pulled up to me. I was listening to my ipod so I didn't notice. I would have just run away but it was so hot outside hahaha. Whatever, I got out of it. Every court martial I ever had I got out of innocent as can be.

I know....

Don't think I have ever heard any soldier on this forum talk about how he violated laws and regulations and actually state it like an achievement.

You know what I mean and you know I'm right Givati.

Don't be so hard on this, the IDF is a popular army and a lot of things works bad, one of them is what Givati is saying.

I think that hitch hiking regulations are ok, but the tzavá should find a way to help soldiers, more when they are lone soldiers, the get to their homes.

Once I was stranded in the middle of nowhere, next to the green line, and I could have spent the whole night there alone if I didn't asked for a ride. And in my time, cell phones were sci fi stuff.

Got a question for the vets.

I've heard that the standard IDF boots are not good at all. True or not?

If it is true, can you buy your own and use them?

IDF boots are horrible.

Some units can use their owns, and in reserve duty I used also my owns. I don't know how it is for the regular guys, because in my time, I was too green and inexperienced to even think about the boots.

You went out of your way to piss me off now...
Why do you think you're something? You frolic about in this thread and you post things that fall undep OpSec PerSec you post crap that makes you and the IDF look bad.

Whom are you doing a favour? With all this crap?
If I violated rules I wouldn't brag about it,

So you are calling me a coward?


So here's a question... Does following regulations make a soldier a coward? Or a professional?
You better turn that 22 year old brain on and step down a bit.

It's people like you who need to have a babysitter nearby, because as soon as nobody with a high enough rank is around, you fall apart and I thought you volunteered? I can understand a conscript not being too happy with being in service, but you chose to be there. Right?

Please, take it easy with this.

As I said, travelling inside Israel is a pain in the a** when Shabbat is coming.

Regulations are important, but getting to home, and be rested and with your friends is also important.

Givati have a point, I felt the same in my time about being stranded and nobody caring.

[Moledet]

Yellow means something like Newbie and not coward.

[CombatBoots]

There was a valid point to what Pretorian669 said; He could have been snatched and
then it would not only be his problem, but also Israel freeing terrorists or launching an operation to get him out, and heck, somebody might have to lay his life down over this... Over that he wanted to come home quick and have a beer.

But hey, sure I'll take it easy with this givati575...

[RoyB]

There's a reason why hitchhiking is forbidden.. and I'm pretty sure they told you why.
It might look 'geeky' to you, but better be safe than sorry.

[Connaught Ranger]

Yellow means something like Newbie and not coward.

Thanks for an explanation, we use the colour "Green" in that context.

But a certain poster here has displayed a marked lack of respect for any form of military authority, and boasted about his getting away with it on many occasions, as he seems to think its a great achievement.

Any soldier, in any military, soon learns that its a team effort, there is no place for a loose cannon or a wise-guy.

Connaught Ranger.

[IDF_TANKER]

Yellow means something like Newbie and not coward.

Thanks for an explanation, we use the colour "Green" in that context.

But a certain poster here has displayed a marked lack of respect for any form of military authority, and boasted about his getting away with it on many occasions, as he seems to think its a great achievement.

Any soldier, in any military, soon learns that its a team effort, there is no place for a loose cannon or a wise-guy.

Connaught Ranger.

I think "yellow" in this context is originated in the skin color, I'm afraid. Yellow as skin color of the Ashkenazi Jews, which are supposedly the "good" normative boys, unlike cooler and more freely spirited Sephardic(Mizrahi) Jews.

[Kaplanr]

We were vuz-vuzim then. It's the difference between Nahal and Golani.

i thought that the officers had to let someone out at a certain time if shabbot was coming and thier kibbutz was far away.

On paper lots of things are supposed to be. In all fairness, in basic training they accomodated us (the guys living near Eilat in the far south) more often than not, but that was still the beginning of a 4-5 hour trip. Getting out of camp was like the intro to a book. Getting a bus or other ride home was a whole other chapter.

Other times we'd give up 30 minutes or an hour on getting out so the observant guys could leave first and really be home before Shabbat. It's not that we were just being nice; it's they were good blokes. The rules for those things may have been applicable in basic which is a more controlled environment, but all bets are off once your done and in an operational unit. As Seren Jack Sparrow says "they're more like guidelines."

[SandBagger]

Just curious but since when were 16 year old's allowed to join the Irish Reserve Defence Forces?

Connaught Ranger.

well i was allowed join the classes and do the same stuff as older recruits but i wouldve have to done an extra year but the recession came and boom ,all recruit platoon 12 ppl were asked to leave

[Yoni-R]

well i was allowed join the classes and do the same stuff as older recruits but i wouldve have to done an extra year but the recession came and boom ,all recruit platoon 12 ppl were asked to leave

sounds like a load of crap to me.



with regards to getting time off for shabbat, do soldiers in tirunot get the whole of shabbat off? i think someone told me it was every second one, true?

[The Chef]

sounds like a load of crap to me.



with regards to getting time off for shabbat, do soldiers in tirunot get the whole of shabbat off? i think someone told me it was every second one, true?

in my experience its every second one

[Yoni-R]

not that i really care because i think they are useless, but what is the reason the IDF doesnt really have military parades anymore?

[SandBagger]

well yoni im taking it your israeli you most likely have no knowledge of the irish army if any irish ppl want proof please pm coz i dont need anoher infraction


how accurate was the movie bout entebbe?

[Kaplanr]

You mean like on Independence Day? If that's what you're asking then it's largely because they were once seen as provocative and expensive. The last real parade with columns of soldiers and armour was, ironically, in 1973 for the 25th Independence Day.

This from Wikipedia.

The Israel Defense Forces parade was an event during the first 25 years of the State of Israel's existence to celebrate its military might. It was cancelled after 1973 due to financial concerns.

The first IDF parade took place during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, on July 27, 1948, on Allenby Street and Ben Yehuda Street in Tel Aviv.[1]

The second parade took place in 1949, on Israel's first independence day, in Tel Aviv. It failed in the process because the overenthusiastic crowd burst into the parade ground. It was nicknamed "The parade that did not march".

Starting with the third parade in 1950, annual parades were held on the country's independence day, ending in 1968. Citing financial concerns, it was then decided that the parade should only be held on special occasions. The last IDF parade thus took place in 1973, on Israel's 25th birthday.

The Israel Defense Forces still has weapon exhibitions country-wide on Independence Day, but they are stationary and have a limited scale.

Year Location
1948 Tel Aviv
1949 Tel Aviv
1950 Jerusalem
1951 Jerusalem
1952 Tel Aviv
1953 Haifa
1954 Ramla (per personal request of Ben-Gurion that it be in an immigrant location.)
1955 Tel Aviv, Beersheba, Afula
1956 Haifa
1957 Tel Aviv
1958 Jerusalem
1959 Tel Aviv
1960 Haifa
1961 Jerusalem
1962 Tel Aviv
1963 Haifa
1964 Beersheba (intended for Jerusalem but moved to avoid issues w/ Jordan)
1965 Tel Aviv
1966 Haifa
1967 Jerusalem
1968 Jerusalem
1973 Jerusalem