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[Shawn--]

take a shower with it, that's how i cleaned my gun. wiped it down real well, then oiled the sh*t out of it. Worked better than sitting on a bench for hours scrubbing each part.

@Givati575: LOL. Thats exactly what I did whenever I'm back from training. It just washed off the dust, sands and mud easily. But however, not much effect on the black carbon stored internally.

@OuttawaLoneWolf: hey, hot water thats something new. I would definately try it out during my next reservist.

@GB_FXST: Care to share what actually happened to the guy using the water? And yap, sweat contains salt and would definately rust faster. I have been using water method for quite sometimes but nothing went wrong. Maybe my rifle is still relatively new and the spray coating is still good. Afterall, before sending my arms back to the store, I would oil it thoroughly.


Anyone uses petrol/ gas method? I used to own a bike and there are lots of black oil on my sprocket/ chains and carbons near my exhaust tip. I applied petrol and I could see the black oil/ carbon just dissolved. I think it might just works on rifle cleaning too?

Thanks for the replies bros.

[GB_FXST]

@Givati575: LOL. Thats exactly what I did whenever I'm back from training. It just washed off the dust, sands and mud easily. But however, not much effect on the black carbon stored internally.

@OuttawaLoneWolf: hey, hot water thats something new. I would definately try it out during my next reservist.

@GB_FXST: Care to share what actually happened to the guy using the water? And yap, sweat contains salt and would definately rust faster. I have been using water method for quite sometimes but nothing went wrong. Maybe my rifle is still relatively new and the spray coating is still good. Afterall, before sending my arms back to the store, I would oil it thoroughly.


Anyone uses petrol/ gas method? I used to own a bike and there are lots of black oil on my sprocket/ chains and carbons near my exhaust tip. I applied petrol and I could see the black oil/ carbon just dissolved. I think it might just works on rifle cleaning too?

Thanks for the replies bros.

Are you in Tzahal?

Nobody used water to clean weapons back in my day (late '80's), and i would not think of using water on any of my personal firearms.

The guy who cleaned his Galil with water was a new immigrant with limited language skills, and did not undersant the MK who told him to clean/wash his weapon after a failed inspection. Segel was pretty pissed and he lost a Shabbat. If you are not in Tzahal, I'll translate the terms above.

I'll use brake cleaner to clean certain parts of my motorcycles, not a fan of using gas as a cleaning agent though.

[IDF_TANKER]

Are you in Tzahal?

Nobody used water to clean weapons back in my day (late '80's), and i would not think of using water on any of my personal firearms.

The guy who cleaned his Galil with water was a new immigrant with limited language skills, and did not undersant the MK who told him to clean/wash his weapon after a failed inspection. Segel was pretty pissed and he lost a Shabbat. If you are not in Tzahal, I'll translate the terms above.

I'll use brake cleaner to clean certain parts of my motorcycles, not a fan of using gas as a cleaning agent though.

I share the sentiment. Although there were a couple of guys who did it(only in rather extreme situation when the whole weapon was covered with sticky mud), it always was looked upon as sort of blasphemy (and I'm pretty they'd be punished if commanders found out). We washed our weapons in special baths filled with solar and tech spirit mixture (or just solar).

[Kaplanr]

We washed our weapons in special baths filled with solar and tech spirit mixture (or just solar).

Taarovet - unscientific mixture of kerosene, solar (diesel fuel), probably some petrol in there too.



The clips called lasringshalven are what we were scared of losing.

Our vasat gazim (gas regulator) had something close to 8 positions (clicks) you could fire from. We automatically closed it and backed off 3 clicks. For slower fire we could back off some more. Back off too much and the reduced gas pressure wouldn't send the bolt back far enough to catch. You'd get a misfire on full automatic even though you were trying reduce the ROF.

[Givati575]

Taarovet - unscientific mixture of kerosene, solar (diesel fuel), probably some petrol in there too.


The clips called lasringshalven are what we were scared of losing.

Our vasat gazim (gas regulator) had something close to 8 positions (clicks) you could fire from. We automatically closed it and backed off 3 clicks. For slower fire we could back off some more. Back off too much and the reduced gas pressure wouldn't send the bolt back far enough to catch. You'd get a misfire on full automatic even though you were trying reduce the ROF.

yeah that's the old complicated, impossible to clean one. The ones we use now only have 3 positions. Which from a few posts ago I learned originated from the MAGs in shiriyon? We only use it on the 2nd setting. 1st one just jams the weapon and the 3rd one causes mishtolel, which equals good times if you're retek!!

I can see how the thought of washing an all metal weapon in water may seem blasphemous but it actually works quite well and as long as you wipe every inch of it down with a towel or flanelit then oil it you won't get a stitch of rust. I admit the first time i did it I had rust in a few places but after that it never happened again.

Washing weapons in diesel is wayy to time consuming.

[NimDod]

sorry this story made me laugh at you for 2 seconds

The batteries under the M60's turret floor are like the sinkhole of the whole damn tank.
Everything that's smaller than a tennis ball that gets lost ends up there with the addition of oiled mud.

[OttawaLoneWolf]

How do you lose the bolt, it isn't that small? The only pieces we ever feared losing were the two "C" shaped pieces from the gas valve. We were always told to pee into the RPGs to clean those.

the FN MAG ( C 6 ) 's bolt carrier and bolt can be detach , unlike the SAW ( C 9 ) bolt

there is a little rounded tube hold them together. I was a SAW gunner , so I forgot FN MAG will fall apart and it fall down the water pipe.

I fished it out with a coat hanger a day later. Come on ! cut the man some slack, that was like 6 years ago when I was young !

[OttawaLoneWolf]

I share the sentiment. Although there were a couple of guys who did it(only in rather extreme situation when the whole weapon was covered with sticky mud), it always was looked upon as sort of blasphemy (and I'm pretty they'd be punished if commanders found out). We washed our weapons in special baths filled with solar and tech spirit mixture (or just solar).

TANKER ! to be honest sometimes the military does not know the best way to clean, modified, fix weapons.
many these types of blasphemy is base on lack of knowledge on weapons ( I do not mean knowledge on using weapons )

let me give u some example -
you can pour lots CLP ( Gun oil ) on machine guns , right after they fire and that will clean the carbon right out of the gun. " True or False ? "
when I was in Artillery, anyone does that will be tied up and lash with whips but this is what everyone does in Armor Recon. People in Artillery do not use machine gun that often, but Armor Recon do

on the FN MAG , you can adjust the firing rate on its gas regulator ( depends on the model ) " True or False ? "
Infantry boys love doing that ! it used to be one of our clearing drill for stoppage, but in face that will wear out your machine gun quickly and both the manufacture and Gun tech will hate you for that. They took the old Gas regulator away and replace with the unchangeable one in Canadian Army.

you have to clean your rifle every time you fire ( true or false ?) "
you can shoot your M4 up to 1000 rounds without the need to clean it and in the Army biding endurance test it can be up to 10 000 rds , some carbon will actually make it run smoother.
in boot camp, we fire 10 rds then we start cleaning it again till it is spotless.

[OttawaLoneWolf]

I may have already posted this once before, but I served with a guy who once washed his Galil with water ... not good ...




I hope you are taking about something other than washing a MAG, or its parts, with water.

My MAG would form rust spots from my sweat; I can only imagine what water would do to it ...

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Different version perhaps ? do not forget that gun was a 50 year old design and FN just have their 2010 model ( look exactly the same )
and your country tend to have some really old weapons.
I washed mine pretty clean, u just have to dry it and oil it right away.

[OttawaLoneWolf]

@Givati575: LOL. Thats exactly what I did whenever I'm back from training. It just washed off the dust, sands and mud easily. But however, not much effect on the black carbon stored internally.

@OuttawaLoneWolf: hey, hot water thats something new. I would definately try it out during my next reservist.

@GB_FXST: Care to share what actually happened to the guy using the water? And yap, sweat contains salt and would definately rust faster. I have been using water method for quite sometimes but nothing went wrong. Maybe my rifle is still relatively new and the spray coating is still good. Afterall, before sending my arms back to the store, I would oil it thoroughly.


Anyone uses petrol/ gas method? I used to own a bike and there are lots of black oil on my sprocket/ chains and carbons near my exhaust tip. I applied petrol and I could see the black oil/ carbon just dissolved. I think it might just works on rifle cleaning too?

Thanks for the replies bros.

u guys just use cold water ? that works just fine ?

I thought it only works well when the water is hot !!

[Kaplanr]

We used to oil before firing and that cut down on hard baked carbon later on. I never felt that cleaning the MAG was that time-consuming. It was making sure all the belts were true and clean that took time.

We never adjusted to increase the ROF, we used it to decrease. The true test of MAG competence (at least in our world,) was being able to fire single shots, and being able to stitch a recognizable pattern in regular use.

[DID]

Post smaller pictures please, this one hurt my screen!

[JordanN]

Palestinians clash with Israeli troops

Noob question: How do you tell the difference between Magav and IDF?

[GB_FXST]

Different version perhaps ? do not forget that gun was a 50 year old design and FN just have their 2010 model ( look exactly the same )
and your country tend to have some really old weapons.
I washed mine pretty clean, u just have to dry it and oil it right away.

It did occur to me that this is a bit of apple and orange comaprison considering the improvement of alloys and composites over the last two decades.

We used to oil before firing and that cut down on hard baked carbon later on. I never felt that cleaning the MAG was that time-consuming. It was making sure all the belts were true and clean that took time.

We never adjusted to increase the ROF, we used it to decrease. The true test of MAG competence (at least in our world,) was being able to fire single shots, and being able to stitch a recognizable pattern in regular use.

Yup. Same here.

Single fire on the MAG was a perishable skill.

[tanks_alot]

Israeli troops fire tear gas towards Palestinian protesters hurling stones at them during clashes on March 17, 2010 in the West Bank refugee camp of Qalandia.

Israeli soldiers guard the site where a rocket launched from the nearby Gaza Strip landed in the southern Israeli Netiv Haasara Kibbutz on March 18, 2010.

Palestinian youths hurl stones at Israeli soldiers during clashes on March 17, 2010 in the West Bank refugee camp of Qalandia.

An Israeli soldier takes position against Palestinian stone-throwers during clashes at Qalandiya checkpoint near the West Bank city of Ramallah March 17, 2010.