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[Givati575]

No, it was at the IAF museum at Hatzerim. I went there on a Saturday and the place was a graveyard.
Nobody there but my friend and I along with an Arab family.

I'm surprised it was open.

My mistake, this is the vehicle I recognized. Captured from Lebanon in 06.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...5_425841_n.jpg

Let me know if that worked?

[shiftypowpow]

Can someone ID this for me please?
I believe it is a SAM system, thought perhaps it was a captured Egyptian system
but not sure since I lost my notes from Hatzerim

http://www.davidpride.com/Aviation/IAF/IAF_148.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-78_Standard_ARM

[dan_pub]

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[Givati575]

Is there an Israeli affairs discussion thread somewhere on here? I've yet to find one with the search function.

[RoyB]

No, it was at the IAF museum at Hatzerim. I went there on a Saturday and the place was a graveyard.
Nobody there but my friend and I along with an Arab family.

Tourists always fall for that stuff. If you want to see rusted, lame, not taken care of "exhibition", go to the IAF Museum.

[GB_FXST]

There are several answers, or ways to answer your question. Compared to the American Jewish population of the draft age. no, not many do, but I couldn't give you a hard number. Compared to a 'gius' - an induction, probably several dozen, maybe a 100 throughout the military, mostly in the infantry.

Where do they come from?
1. Young Americans who make Aliyah, they move to Israel in a series of deliberate steps. At some point after becoming citizens, getting a feel for the language, they get inducted. Depending on age, they serve various periods of time.

2. Same as 1, but with fewer deliberate steps and they tend to go into the army soon after arriving in Israel.

3. Mahal - This is a program that allows non Israeli Jews (ages 18-23) to serve in the army for 18-24 months. Usually (but not always) in infantry units because of the limited period of their service. They are not Israeli citizens at the time of their service.

4. Mahal has a related program for the children of Israelis who live abroad, parents who've left the country. Their children are considered to be Israeli, but are obviously not subject to the draft. Once they're inducted, they have to make a decision - finish the army and return 'home', or declare themselves as a 'returning resident' and then they're obligated (on paper anyway) to complete 3 years service and are subject to normal reserve duty.

Yeah, in comparison to the US Jewish population, just a small fraction joins the IDF. 100 at any given time seems like a pretty reasonable estimate. During basic, 7 of us were from the US; and three of the samals (nco's) were too; two of them, oddly enough, were from St. Louis, MO.

By no means is this limited to people from the US; during my time it was like a veritable UN, with guys from all over Europe, South America, Canada, South Africa, and Australia.

Back in the '80, there, of course, was no Mahal or Garin Tzabar, but the IDF rules about service for foreigners were much more lax. Not everyone was Jewish.

There is an on-line association for US and foriegn born IDF veterans:

http://www.alufstone.com/

The name is based on one of a number of US WWII veterans who helped form the modern IDF:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Marcus

[IDF_TANKER]

Yeah, in comparison to the US Jewish population, just a small fraction joins the IDF. 100 at any given time seems like a pretty reasonable estimate. During basic, 7 of us were from the US; and three of the samals (nco's) were too; two of them, oddly enough, were from St. Louis, MO.

By no means is this limited to people from the US; during my time it was like a veritable UN, with guys from all over Europe, South America, Canada, South Africa, and Australia.

Back in the '80, there, of course, was no Mahal or Garin Tzabar, but the IDF rules about service for foreigners were much more lax. Not everyone was Jewish.

There is an on-line association for US and foriegn born IDF veterans:

http://www.alufstone.com/

The name is based on one of a number of US WWII veterans who helped form the modern IDF:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Marcus

Oddly enough I never met one during my service, except one American guy who was an Oleh (and well olim from other countries). My friend though who served in 80's in Golani had a non-Jewish British guy and there was not so long ago an article about that Swedish Christian guy serving in Golani, quite remarkable.

[Laworkerbee]

Tourists always fall for that stuff. If you want to see rusted, lame, not taken care of "exhibition", go to the IAF Museum.

Laugh all you want but I found your secret UAV program unguarded and snapped this for an MP.Net exclusive shot.

My mistake, this is the vehicle I recognized. Captured from Lebanon in 06.

Yes link worked.
The only MLRS I found there was this guy

Among the "rusted junk"

[Givati575]

Hey I loved the IAF Museum........

[Laworkerbee]

Hey I loved the IAF Museum........

That's good habibi because I'm uploading a **** ton of photo's for a Hatzerim thread.
I search for one but you know how that goes

[Kaplanr]

I was going to say almost exclusively the infantry, but I didn't feel comfortable saying it without a hard number. I knew a handful of us who got into the Air Force. When the Nahal had an armored component, there were some there too, but that's back in the late 70s. I think it's pretty much the infantry (paratroops included.)

Oddly enough I never met one during my service, except one American guy who was an Oleh (and well olim from other countries). My friend though who served in 80's in Golani had a non-Jewish British guy and there was not so long ago an article about that Swedish Christian guy serving in Golani, quite remarkable.

[IDF_TANKER]

I was going to say almost exclusively the infantry, but I didn't feel comfortable saying it without a hard number. I knew a handful of us who got into the Air Force. When the Nahal had an armored component, there were some there too, but that's back in the late 70s. I think it's pretty much the infantry (paratroops included.)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I think it's changing now, armor gaining some "prestige", but at my time being a tanker was considered basically semi-jobnik. How unfair if you think about it, after all we scored most kills in Leb, for instance.

[Givati575]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I think it's changing now, armor gaining some "prestige", but at my time being a tanker was considered basically semi-jobnik. How unfair if you think about it, after all we scored most kills in Leb, for instance.

Sheesh, I think you guys scored the most kills in just about every war.

[GB_FXST]

I was going to say almost exclusively the infantry, but I didn't feel comfortable saying it without a hard number. I knew a handful of us who got into the Air Force. When the Nahal had an armored component, there were some there too, but that's back in the late 70s. I think it's pretty much the infantry (paratroops included.)

I know of some olim who served in units other than infantry, such as artillery, air-force and dover tzahal, but they all had/have some sort of special skills or talents.

Do you have any recollection of a Baptist African-American guy from Kansas City serving in Nahal during '85 - '86?

[Givati575]

Anybody know what happened with this? Shot down in the Knesset maybe? http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...523905,00.html