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    Hi,
    Maybe it's a sensitive topic, but is it only an optical illusion that the Merkava gun is 'shorter' than its counterparts.
    Does it look so because the turret is situated more to the middle of the chassis and the gun itself is masked by the
    mantlet which points to the front,' shortening' the view of the full lenght of the gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingreverent View Post
    Hi,
    Maybe it's a sensitive topic, but is it only an optical illusion that the Merkava gun is 'shorter' than its counterparts.
    Does it look so because the turret is situated more to the middle of the chassis and the gun itself is masked by the
    mantlet which points to the front,' shortening' the view of the full lenght of the gun?
    Well, I don't know about the barrel length but according to Wikipedia, the IMI 120mm gun used by the Merkava is 30cm longer (mounted) than the Rheinmetal L-44 gun.

    On visual I find too the gun is slightly shorter but maybe it takes more place inside the turret considering the merkava turret is very sloped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingreverent View Post
    Hi,
    Maybe it's a sensitive topic, but is it only an optical illusion that the Merkava gun is 'shorter' than its counterparts.
    Does it look so because the turret is situated more to the middle of the chassis and the gun itself is masked by the
    mantlet which points to the front,' shortening' the view of the full lenght of the gun?
    2 explanations:

    The serious one, since the turret is not mounted in the middle of the chassis but in the back, it's looks shorter.

    Or

    The not serious one, we circumcise our cannons.

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    The 'not serious' one: I like that ...he he.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingreverent View Post
    Hi,
    Maybe it's a sensitive topic, but is it only an optical illusion that the Merkava gun is 'shorter' than its counterparts.
    Does it look so because the turret is situated more to the middle of the chassis and the gun itself is masked by the
    mantlet which points to the front,' shortening' the view of the full lenght of the gun?
    Also might be because it's shielded from view on the sides by the converging sides of the turret. If there wasn't a cannon interrupting the geometry, the front of the Merkava turret would come to a point. The cannon is set back into the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaplanr View Post
    Also might be because it's shielded from view on the sides by the converging sides of the turret. If there wasn't a cannon interrupting the geometry, the front of the Merkava turret would come to a point. The cannon is set back into the point.
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    The sloppy armor modules hide it and Merkava has a relatively long hull front because of the engine compartment (hence the "optical illusion").

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    IDF: Demand for combat service reaches record rate

    New enlistment round sees 76% of recruits with combat qualifications seeking field unit service, creating manpower shortage in non-combat roles

    By Hanan Greenberg

    Some 76% of new army recruits with combat qualifications want to serve in field units according to Ground Forces data collected ahead of the March round of enlistment to commence next week.

    IDF elements are pleased with the record number but admit that the situation causes a problem in manning non-combat positions. "We are starting to look for solutions in order to find the right balance in manpower assignment," a senior Ground Forces officer said.


    The March enlistment round will commence on Sunday in the military induction center. The IDF has spent recent weeks processing the new recruits' placement requests which indicate a rise in motivation to serve in field units.

    "One can detect a clear line between the Second Lebanon War and Operation Cast Lead which points to the change the IDF has undergone resulting in many teens' strong will to be combatants," the senior officer noted.

    "Another reason for high motivation rates is the strengthening of the connection with the young recruits from the time they are in the 11th grade," the officer said. "The army is there, providing them with information, inviting them to the bases, opening its gates in order to boost their confidence level and equip them with the most updated information."

    Looking for solutions

    The IDF is now focused on encouraging enlistment, mainly for the armored corps, artillery corps and combat engineering units after demand for infantry service far exceeded the army's needs.

    Last March, as Operation Cast Lead was drawing to an end, demand for service in field units reached 73% out of all recruits. "This trend of real gravitation towards the combat units is felt in the ground and reflects on the drop-out rate which has substantially decreased during the training period," the senior officer said.

    The officer also estimated that the trend is expected to grow in the future while the IDF continues to search for ways to address the combat-support shortage. "We are certainly exploring the options in light of the fact that it's hard to fill the non-combat positions."

    One of the suggestions raised was to place career officers in the non-combat professions and train some of the combatants to perform other duties such as cooking.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...857697,00.html

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    This is serious? I would bet there's a lot of people wanting to be jobnikim

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    Actually it is. Unless they have COs with good leadership qualities, many go into their "secondary" assignment with lower motivation and some feelings of not measuring up. Kind of like the guy who gets "transistor" (that would be me) as a pakal in basic. Just finished an autobiography by a guy who was in one of the gdudim of the 188th Armoured Brigade, and he addressed this at length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaplanr View Post
    Actually it is. Unless they have COs with good leadership qualities, many go into their "secondary" assignment with lower motivation and some feelings of not measuring up. Kind of like the guy who gets "transistor" (that would be me) as a pakal in basic. Just finished an autobiography by a guy who was in one of the gdudim of the 188th Armoured Brigade, and he addressed this at length.
    I hope that this is not OT, but what did you think of the Crybaby Brigade?

    I just finished it, and I really liked the first half; it brought back a lot of memories. I have some mixed feelings about the second half, however. I do feel bad for the author in how he was treated (mistreated) by the establishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White_R34 View Post
    Hello guys I need to ask some of you a QT-question about Merkava antennas. (1.) Why do the IDF tank crews bend there antennas?, and what's the use of those small antenna looking items on all four corners of the tank, are they used for clearance indicator poles?


    Thanks for reading.
    SORRY for asking. What does QT stands for?

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    What's the Hebrew title? חתיבת הבכיינים או משהוא כזה?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tikvah View Post
    What's the Hebrew title? חתיבת הבכיינים או משהוא כזה?
    The full English title is: 188th Crybaby Brigade. I assume that there is a Hebrew publication.

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