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    ^Micro Tavor on the second pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JordanN View Post
    Noob question: How do you tell the difference between Magav and IDF?
    They have totaly different uniforms...

    For example IDF uniforms are olive green while MAGAV is grey.

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    what's the second bolt in that massive picture? the c9 bolt?

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    no no ! it is the M60 MK 43 bolt ! HA ! u guys use the Negev ! probably never see a SAW or C 9 before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB_FXST View Post
    It did occur to me that this is a bit of apple and orange comaprison considering the improvement of alloys and composites over the last two decades.



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    mmm ! this just tell me how old u are ! so did u use the PIAT : P

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    And single shot Krag-Jorgensens. Our automatic weapons were a Colt 45 Peacemaker and a Henry Repeating Rifle. We used to have stretcher marches down to the Dead Sea both ways uphill in the snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaLoneWolf View Post
    mmm ! this just tell me how old u are ! so did u use the PIAT : P
    43 ...

    Kaplanr is exaggerating just a bit ... K98 Mausers were standard issue ...

    But no, no Piat's. I do not think I have actually ever seen a Piat in person.

    Our most obsolete weapon was probably the old 52mm mortars (with the hand crank and white aiming strip), and while they were not of WWII vintage, they might as well have been ...

    This was the mid-late eignties. And while the IDF can be cheap when it comes to the infantry, we had contemporary AT weapons: LAW's, RPG's and Dragons.

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    Interestingly enough though (same time period as GB_FXST), while our M2 50 Calibres had new mechanisms and new barrels, the bodies were WWII-Korea vintage. They were all stamped with Chrysler, Cadillac or Fisher Body Works manufacturing stamps. Our 30 caliber MGs had the same stamps, but they were already refitted as 7.62mm.

    Quote Originally Posted by GB_FXST View Post
    43 ...

    Kaplanr is exaggerating just a bit ... K98 Mausers were standard issue ...

    But no, no Piat's. I do not think I have actually ever seen a Piat in person.

    Our most obsolete weapon was probably the old 52mm mortars (with the hand crank and white aiming strip), and while they were not of WWII vintage, they might as well have been ...

    This was the mid-late eignties. And while the IDF can be cheap when it comes to the infantry, we had contemporary AT weapons: LAW's, RPG's and Dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaLoneWolf View Post
    u guys just use cold water ? that works just fine ?

    I thought it only works well when the water is hot !!
    I am using tap water/ shower water. Not exactly cold water. It works well by washing off the dirt and dust ONLY and has no effect clearing off the carbons. After washing I would use toilet rolls to wipe it dry and uses the 5 piece rod with a small piece of dry cloth to pull through the barrel. Then proceed with the traditional way, oil and scrub.

    By doing this, it's much more easier for me to clean the rifle and race my way to the bed or to shower, rather then having some idiots spending 20mins-30mins wiping off dirt and dust alone, and another 20mins-30mins to oil and scrub. The best part is having spent so much effort, their rifle still fails the inspection.

    Are you saying that hot water can wash or loosen the carbons? I didn't though of that, and I would definately try it out soon.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kaplanr View Post
    We used to oil before firing and that cut down on hard baked carbon later on. I never felt that cleaning the MAG was that time-consuming. It was making sure all the belts were true and clean that took time.

    We never adjusted to increase the ROF, we used it to decrease. The true test of MAG competence (at least in our world,) was being able to fire single shots, and being able to stitch a recognizable pattern in regular use.
    By adjusting the gas regulator to the lowest setting, will it jam the weapon? Will you ended up having to 1 clock and 1 shot on the MAG/ GPMG?

    Thanks bros

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn-- View Post
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    By adjusting the gas regulator to the lowest setting, will it jam the weapon? Will you ended up having to 1 clock and 1 shot on the MAG/ GPMG?

    Thanks bros
    Wouldn't jam it, it would cause a runaway burst. Remember I was using the "old" regulator which had more settings to select. I used to adjust my ROF to about 75-100 rpm, 1/2 what they told us was it's maximum ROF. We'd do it in exercises to make sure we had enough ammo for the end. What we were told, but can't say I ever saw, was that if you opened the regulator up too much (intent to reduce the ROF even more,) what would happen is that there wouldn't be enough gas pressure to return the bolt back to the sear; it would go back 90% and then return home - smacking the next bullet in line, even though you'd released the trigger. You'd have to breakaway the links to stop it. We'd also been told, and this I did see, was that if we didn't back off the regulator and tried firing for max ROF, the gas pressure returned the bolt too hard/fast for it to lock on the sear if you'd released the trigger. Again a runaway burst. The other concern was to make sure to open the regulator a notch or two after prolonged firing to offset the buildup of carbon.

    My only dumb MAG moment came during an exercise early on when I'd gotten the MAG - it was in 931 for Advanced Infantry Training. I hadn't completely locked the barrel onto the receiver and when I started firing the barrel shot off about 6 or 7 meters. Needless to say I couldn't do anything until we'd advanced to where it was. By the time I got the spare barrel up and in, and reloaded/recharged the weapon we were moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn-- View Post
    I am using tap water/ shower water. Not exactly cold water. It works well by washing off the dirt and dust ONLY and has no effect clearing off the carbons. After washing I would use toilet rolls to wipe it dry and uses the 5 piece rod with a small piece of dry cloth to pull through the barrel. Then proceed with the traditional way, oil and scrub.

    By doing this, it's much more easier for me to clean the rifle and race my way to the bed or to shower, rather then having some idiots spending 20mins-30mins wiping off dirt and dust alone, and another 20mins-30mins to oil and scrub. The best part is having spent so much effort, their rifle still fails the inspection.

    Are you saying that hot water can wash or loosen the carbons? I didn't though of that, and I would definately try it out soon.



    well ! I was told hot water, I am not sure the affect on Carbon but it sure make scraping the carbons out easier. Get a small brush that will actually get inside the weapon and just scarab while hot water is running.
    let me know how did it works !! Best

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaLoneWolf View Post
    no no ! it is the M60 MK 43 bolt ! HA ! u guys use the Negev ! probably never see a SAW or C 9 before.
    you'd be surprised just how many times I/We have seen/used an m249, FN Minimi, and C9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Givati575 View Post
    you'd be surprised just how many times I/We have seen/used an m249, FN Minimi, and C9.
    Nothing new about the Minimi. The IDF issued the FN Minimi to select units (Sayeret Nahal was one) back in my day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB_FXST View Post
    Nothing new about the Minimi. The IDF issued the FN Minimi to select units (Sayeret Nahal was one) back in my day.
    why would they have two similar machine gun in the force ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OttawaLoneWolf View Post
    why would they have two similar machine gun in the force ?
    This was before the Negev. IDF was testing the Minimi. You'd be surprised at some of the weapons you'd see in the IDF. Hell, we even have a few Strykers.

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