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[Shawn--]

to hell with all these black vests. They should all be banned.

Why say so?

[Type-R]

Because it looks cheap and unprofessional - unfortunately it has a status of "cool" in the idf.

[Amiel]

to hell with all these black vests. They should all be banned.

I'm sorry, but I am not following you. Why should they be banned?

[Sirpad]

to hell with all these black vests. They should all be banned.

it's a floating vest, they come in black color only. dabur teams use them too, with different pouch setting

[Givati575]

it's a floating vest, they come in black color only. dabur teams use them too, with different pouch setting

change the color and i'll be happy

[amerikie]

change the color and i'll be happy

S13 doesn't only wear olive green uniforms. There's a reason why the vests are black.

[Givati575]

S13 doesn't only wear olive green uniforms. There's a reason why the vests are black.

you're right, their dress uniforms are tan....other than that they wear the standard bet uniforms always...unless they're going for a swim

[amerikie]

you're right, their dress uniforms are tan....other than that they wear the standard bet uniforms always...unless they're going for a swim

I was referring to the last option. They wear green uniforms when they train/want to be recognized as members of the Israeli Armed Forces so the color of the vest really doesn't matter. On the majority of their missions they don't want to be seen at all, making the black vest a necessity.

[Givati575]

I was referring to the last option. They wear green uniforms when they train/want to be recognized as members of the Israeli Armed Forces so the color of the vest really doesn't matter. On the majority of their missions they don't want to be seen at all, making the black vest a necessity.

if they didn't want to be seen then they wouldn't wear a black vest.....the black actually stands out at night.

[RoyB]

S13 doesn't only wear olive green uniforms. There's a reason why the vests are black.

Here's the reason -

it's a floating vest, they come in black color only. dabur teams use them too, with different pouch setting

Thanks for clarifying that, Sirpad.

[Ren987]

Tuesday Aug. 17, 2010. The Israeli military says two of its troops have been lightly wounded by a mortar shell fired from Gaza. The incident came a day after Israeli troops killed a Palestinian militant who the military said was planting a bomb along the border.













A third mortar bomb, fired from the Gaza Strip, lands in the southern Israeli kibbutz of Nirim on August 17, 2010, after after two Israeli soldiers were lightly wounded by two mortar shells fired earlier by Palestinian militants, according to the Israeli army.

[Yosy]

You have to first get invited to Yom Sayarot. Then, Matkal has to select you to take their gibbush. Next, you have to get selected from the gibbush and make it to the end of training.

I read online that selection for Matkal is very difficult - second only to the pilot selection. But then again, I also saw online (in MP.Net I think) that S'13 selection is the most physically demanding of the IDF, followed by Palsar Golani. Does Matkal also takes into account the psychological / academic side of the recruits? If so, their reputation as a top-of-the-line unit is well-deserved - not only they have people super-fit, but also with the brains.

And why is specifically Palsar Golani selection so demanding? An historical thing or what?

[IDF_TANKER]

I read online that selection for Matkal is very difficult - second only to the pilot selection. But then again, I also saw online (in MP.Net I think) that S'13 selection is the most physically demanding of the IDF, followed by Palsar Golani. Does Matkal also takes into account the psychological / academic side of the recruits? If so, their reputation as a top-of-the-line unit is well-deserved - not only they have people super-fit, but also with the brains.

And why is specifically Palsar Golani selection so demanding? An historical thing or what?

There is something called KABA in IDF - a personal level index which includes IDF IQ test score, amongst other things. In order to be accepted into various special units, pilot course etc, you need to have a certain KABA grade.

[amerikie]

I read online that selection for Matkal is very difficult - second only to the pilot selection. But then again, I also saw online (in MP.Net I think) that S'13 selection is the most physically demanding of the IDF, followed by Palsar Golani. Does Matkal also takes into account the psychological / academic side of the recruits? If so, their reputation as a top-of-the-line unit is well-deserved - not only they have people super-fit, but also with the brains.

And why is specifically Palsar Golani selection so demanding? An historical thing or what?

Gibbushim (sf selection tests) are designed to assess both ones physical and mental strengths (among other things). As IDF_TANKER already said, everyone needs to take certain evaluations before entering the service and one needs to score high enough to get invited to certain gibbushim.

I'm not sure if you're asking about the difficulty of the gibbushim or the training. The pilots course gibbush has more mental aspects than other gibbushim, simply because they are looking for people who are mentally adaptable. For some people, this could be more demanding than running 20k with a loaded stretcher.

Palsar Golani might (I never heard this before you mentioned it, so this is purely speculation) have a greater demand during selection because they can. They have a reputation, and therefore, attract many more super-motivated recruits than other units (1 out of 6 people who request Golani are accepted). Why settle for less when you can have more?

As far as training goes, I'm not sure which unit is the hardest, nor do I think that there is an official list (except for every Israeli telling you he was in the unit which trained the hardest/longest/best). All special force units are extremely demanding, though by default, some more than others.

[mugs69]

Hi Guys

I'm a long time reader of this thread and have posted in it at least once. I'd like to make it clear that I am a supporter of Israel and the IDF.

This is from the BBC investigation program Panorama broadcast last night (Monday 16th August 2010) on the Gaza flotilla, I think it was pretty well balanced.

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/SXrzF0IOQYE

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfo91...eature=related


Regards