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[Karaahmetoglu]

Why are those commandos not using Galil's? And using AKM's?

[FrankBooth]

Water durability, not to mention the backstock of them that they probably have. Enemy combatants using similar weapons, free magazines.

[500]

What happened to this project?

Israel worked on the Hellstar in the 1980s. The intention of this program was to provide a UAV for use on Israeli warships and perhaps certain ground units. Israel Aerospace Industries used a Gyrodyne QH-50 as the basis for the Hellstar. The development program was terminated after the first prototype was damaged in a hard landing.

Aug 1989 Hellstar program announced
1990-92(a) Flight testing under way
1993 Israeli Navy decides against Hellstar purchase Hellstar program placed on hold

[Type-R]

They also have the greatest numbers of volunteers now of all the other brigades.

That's hard to believe, if you take in mind that Mahal volunteers (and in smaller numbers Garin Tzabar) get in to Nahal only i would say Nahal is still far ahead of all other Brigades.

But man, these brigade discussion crack me up. Everybody finds his brigade the best and call the classic stereotypes on other brigades.
To sport the tradition, here's a sad Golani story that happened last summer i can still remember:

Soldier killed by misfire at northern base

[Sirpad]

a bunch of S13 photos, just for fun

[Karaahmetoglu]

Water durability, not to mention the backstock of them that they probably have. Enemy combatants using similar weapons, free magazines.

A Galil should have the same/similar water durability being relatively close design to the Ak series.

Their is also a Galil version that accepts the 7.62mm Ak mags.
http://www.israel-weapon.com/default...-A46DE5F1616A}

On that note any one have anymore pictures on the ACE series Galil's?

[FrankBooth]

Maybe, but they use the AK and I guess it works for them. If they leave an AK behind on assignment, it also helps to conceal who exactly was there.

[Karaahmetoglu]

The Ace Galil:

[RoyB]

Great photos, Sirpad.

[Givati575]

Thats just silly. Our chayalut was second to none in the field, sorry if we lacked the same attention to detail towards our class A's. This is one of those strange misconceptions about Golani, their lack of discipline. Sure they have little clashes with their mephakdim from time to time with regards to guard duty or kitchen duty or other little things, but that stuff never happens when in the field. Not like Nahal I believe it was in the early 90's who were getting stoned in Lebanon and had there base over run. I think something similar happened to Givati in the 90's also, but could be mistaken.
Golani has the best combat record of any of the infantry brigades, period. They also have the greatest numbers of volunteers now of all the other brigades.

You are referring to the Nahal front gate guard who ran away from his post allowing the terrorist to enter and kill a few civilians. I think it was Misgav Am?

[poolboy]

You are referring to the Nahal front gate guard who ran away from his post allowing the terrorist to enter and kill a few civilians. I think it was Misgav Am?

just out of curiosity is this the incident you talking about?
"On 7 April 1980, five terrorists from the Iraqi-backed Arab Liberation Front penetrated Misgav Am in the night and entered the nursery. They killed the kibbutz secretary and an infant boy"

[RoyB]

You are referring to the Nahal front gate guard who ran away from his post allowing the terrorist to enter and kill a few civilians. I think it was Misgav Am?

I think you're mixing two events.
One is 'Night of the Gliders', and the other is the Misgav Am hostage crisis.

[Kaplanr]

November, 1987. Definitely a black eye for the Nahal, especially as it came after (a few years earlier) prisoner swaps with the Syrians and Lebanese for 3-4 Nahalaim. I'll display hubris and quote myself from an earlier thread in the General Discussion area. In short, today's Nahal isn't the same as the 80s Nahal.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post3309667

Nahal is the Hebrew acronym for Pioneer Fighting Youth, or Fighting Farmers as one of my misguided Heyl Avir friends used to say. Until the 90s, the Nahal Brigade was the only infantry unit that didn't report directly to one of the regional commands (Central, Northern or Southern.) The maslul or cycle for Nahlaim then was not the same as for the paratroops or Golani (there was no Givati for most of this time.) A Nahlai spent about 25% of his or her service on a kibbutz and then in pre-civilian settlements in Israel (in uniform.) Some of these heyachzuyot and mahazim later became kibbutsim or towns, though I think the last ones were in the early 90s. Because of that timing, Nahlaim also served longer than the standard 36 months; but it wasn't very painful given the amount of time off the line. An inherent part of the Nahal cycle was airborne training in Gdud 50 and there even used to be an armoured Nahal battalion, but that was phased out in the 80s. The exception were us poor olim (immigrants) who did a 2 year cycle without the fun stuff on kibbutz. We just did training, line, training, line, jump school, Sgt's course, line.

The Nahal battalions were among the first into Beirut in 1982 and fought well against the PLO and the Syrians. Problem was their discipline was probably a level or two below that of the paratroops and Golani; as a result they had several high profile prisoner swaps for umpteen thousand Palestinians. The low point in the unit's history was the Night of the Hang Glider where a PLO operative "flew" to Israel, landed near a Nahal base and killed several before being killed by one of the cooks. The unit's guard stayed out of the action, probably causing most of the casualties.

After that, there were calls for changing the service structure which coincided with the advent of the Ground Forces Command and the first intifada. By the 90s, the Nahal was assigned to the Central Command, and the kibbutz / settlement hakshara (training) was removed from the combat soldier's cycle.

[Sumadinac]

They killed the kibbutz secretary and an infant boy

What kind of person can you be to kill a baby? Just an animal.

I just couldn't do that even to my worst ennemy's babies or children. Sums up pretty well who israel is fighting. Fvcking barbarians.

[PsychoDude]

Israel worked on the Hellstar in the 1980s. The intention of this program was to provide a UAV for use on Israeli warships and perhaps certain ground units. Israel Aerospace Industries used a Gyrodyne QH-50 as the basis for the Hellstar. The development program was terminated after the first prototype was damaged in a hard landing.

Aug 1989 Hellstar program announced
1990-92(a) Flight testing under way
1993 Israeli Navy decides against Hellstar purchase Hellstar program placed on hold

Thanks, it is a shame it was terminated, instead they came up only now with toy they call panter UAV vertical takeoff, it is a joke!