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[GottLuft]

It's very possible that Tropyh can't match with unguided anti-armor rockets like RPG. The reason for that could be the speed of unguided rocket and close firing. With most of modern guided anti-armor missiles like Spike you can shot at the tank from long distance of 1 or more km and it gives the time for Trophy to react ,detect and prevent missile to hit the tank. While in the same time with ungided anti-armor rockers like RPG 28,29,32 you can expect and very fast impact from very short distance of 50-100 m. It's the question of 1-2 seconds. Even if Trophy manage to stop impact of one RPG like 28,29 od 32 it will definitely not be able to stop two in the same time fired from different positions. Everything will be just about tactics with using AT systems

[Givati575]

It's very possible that Tropyh can't match with unguided anti-armor rockets like RPG. The reason for that could be the speed of unguided rocket and close firing. With most of modern guided anti-armor missiles like Spike you can shot at the tank from long distance of 1 or more km and it gives the time for Trophy to react ,detect and prevent missile to hit the tank. While in the same time with ungided anti-armor rockers like RPG 28,29,32 you can expect and very fast impact from very short distance of 50-100 m. It's the question of 1-2 seconds. Even if Trophy manage to stop impact of one RPG like 28,29 od 32 it will definitely not be able to stop two in the same time fired from different positions. Everything will be just about tactics with using AT systems

How do you know what the trophy is or isn't capable of?

[Alienfreak]

How do you know what the trophy is or isn't capable of?

It will most likely be able to stop those threats. And different positions will most likely not help you except if they did indeed put in my old pocket calculator as its engagement computer.

With its current design the flaw will most likely be that tandem rockets (like the RPG30) will most likely defeat its capability to destroy multiple rockets on the same trajectory (the 2 missiles fly like 0.4 secs behind each other).

[michael4il]

Take a chill pill and a deep breath dude. Who said high-res photo are bad ?

i can see the tanks are fitted with trophy,looks like the system is catching up
(not the first but the two behind him)

[poolboy]

I don't speak Russian and cannot comment on this video, but the title claims that the RPG-30 & RPG 32 can defeat Trophy. Translation of this video would be helpful.

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=13f_1299029618

well they tested it jordan, from what i heard its sends out a premature warhead which triggers off the APS while the real warhead hits the tanks, im not sure how effective this might be considering trophy and most other western aps could engage multiple threats simultaneously and the best APS they could have tested the new rpg32 against would have been the arena or drozd which are rather outdated

[Trebuchet]

It's very possible that Tropyh can't match with unguided anti-armor rockets like RPG.

Then, what are they made for? Actually, they are able to destroy RPG, ATGM and HEAT rounds.

[vittorioveneto]

Hi everybody !

Excuse for my bad English

Can someone describe the exact sequence to repair a Merkava's track ?





Thanks a lot !!!

[Givati575]

Hi everybody !

Excuse for my bad English

Can someone describe the exact sequence to repair a Merkava's track ?



Thanks a lot !!!

No.






Nahal Strong.

[Zeev]

Hi everybody !

Excuse for my bad English

Can someone describe the exact sequence to repair a Merkava's track ?

Thanks a lot !!!

No offense, but your request seems a little bit weird... Why would you know such a thing?

[kingreverent]

Then, what are they made for? Actually, they are able to destroy RPG, ATGM and HEAT rounds.

Trophy can destroy all kind of anti-tank weapons (missiles/rockets): see this link, it's in hebrew, but you can translate in english with google:
http://www.yadlashiryon.com/show_ite...562&itemType=0

By the way an excellent website on israeli and foreign armour. Look into archive and search for video's on the history and fabrication of merkava's.

[Kaplanr]

Would the Merkava's sequence be much different that a Magach or Shot (BTDT in the frozen mud). "Praise be you oh lord....who made me an infantryman"

[Moledet]

It's very possible that Tropyh can't match with unguided anti-armor rockets like RPG. The reason for that could be the speed of unguided rocket and close firing. With most of modern guided anti-armor missiles like Spike you can shot at the tank from long distance of 1 or more km and it gives the time for Trophy to react ,detect and prevent missile to hit the tank. While in the same time with ungided anti-armor rockers like RPG 28,29,32 you can expect and very fast impact from very short distance of 50-100 m. It's the question of 1-2 seconds. Even if Trophy manage to stop impact of one RPG like 28,29 od 32 it will definitely not be able to stop two in the same time fired from different positions. Everything will be just about tactics with using AT systems

It can handle a lot more than two simultaneously. This is the reason this success is such a revolution in armor. Nothing for the last 4 decades compares with this success in tanks warfare.

Anyway, this is just the first stage. Second stage is ofcourse defeating tank rounds, then disabling AT missiles from firing at all by disabling any ability to lock on a tank and then the last stage is invisibility.

P.S. it just defeated a RPG shot from a close range, so you can't say there's a doubt about it being able to counter RPGs.

[Givati575]

Im still laughing at the people who were debating the short-falls and weaknesses of the Trophy system as if they had any idea as to what they were talking about.

P.S. it just defeated a RPG shot from a close range, so you can't say there's a doubt about it being able to counter RPGs.

The RPG - 7 and RPG - 29 are two very different systems. That's what they were talking about. In the end it doesn't matter. Trophy > all.

[Moledet]

The RPG - 7 and RPG - 29 are two very different systems. That's what they were talking about. In the end it doesn't matter. Trophy > all.

It makes no difference for the system. Both travel at roughly the same velocity.

[Givati575]

It makes no difference for the system. Both travel at roughly the same velocity.

I'm aware. I was just pointing out what their argument was about.