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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsh View Post
    How about using helmet cam? It's commonly found with UK and US forces.
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    It's not the same thing.
    A camera on the helmet documents the action.
    These guys are shooting with an handy-cam that allows to choose precisely the frame, to zoom in and out, to set the focus, to set the exposure… in order to have the diverse shots needed to edit a video report for the Spokesman of the IDF. (The kind of reports we can see on YouTube or on this thread.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    It's not the same thing.
    A camera on the helmet documents the action.
    These guys are shooting with an handy-cam that allows to choose precisely the frame, to zoom in and out, to settle the focus, to settle the exposure… in order to have the diverse shots needed to edit a video report for the Spokesman of the IDF. (The kind of reports we can see on YouTube or on this thread.)
    Yes, see your point and it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eggbird View Post
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    Getting jabbed with the muzzle of an M4 or Tavor probably hurts but the move would be a lot more effective against an adrenalin-fueled attacker...especially one wearing soft armor and/or heavy web loadbearing gear...if an edged weapon were affixed. I don't pretend to have any special insight into the minds of the Israeli commanders and planners but I have always felt that a serious mistake was made...both tactically and in terms of imparting martial spirit...by eliminating the bayonet from the IDF weapon inventory and training syllabus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilo 62 View Post
    Getting jabbed with the muzzle of an M4 or Tavor probably hurts but the move would be a lot more effective against an adrenalin-fueled attacker...especially one wearing soft armor and/or heavy web loadbearing gear...if an edged weapon were affixed. I don't pretend to have any special insight into the minds of the Israeli commanders and planners but I have always felt that a serious mistake was made...both tactically and in terms of imparting martial spirit...by eliminating the bayonet from the IDF weapon inventory and training syllabus.
    x100 agree.
    Also important for all the fighting spirit thing, IMHO. One of the thing I truly envy the Brits about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IDF_TANKER View Post
    x100 agree.
    Also important for all the fighting spirit thing, IMHO. One of the thing I truly envy the Brits about.
    When did the IDF ever train with bayonets? This is a serious question; we certainly did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB_FXST View Post
    When did the IDF ever train with bayonets? This is a serious question; we certainly did not.

    I honestly don't know if they ever did so or not. My point was that they should have been and still should be, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB_FXST View Post
    When did the IDF ever train with bayonets? This is a serious question; we certainly did not.
    I have no idea... but that's beyond the point. I'd love to see bayonet training in the basics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilo 62 View Post
    I honestly don't know if they ever did so or not. My point was that they should have been and still should be, IMO.
    Quite possible they just don't see a need for it.

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    I think there were bayonets in the early days of the IDF and they were provided to the soldiers with the Uzis.

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    We've sort of had this conversation before, way back when. We actually only got about 30 minutes of krav-maga, and I don't think it was the pressure of deployments or anything like that. The overall impression I felt was that if we let someone get that close to us, then we deserve what we get.

    I can also bear witness to getting smacked in the face with a gun barrel, in my case a MAG. Happened on our kibbutz which is on the Jordanian border in the south. I'd gone out at sundown to bring back a tractor. A patrol in a command car (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ommand_car.jpg) stopped to check me out and one of the guys swung the MAG out just as I stood up. Took it across my face and nose. Almost broke the nose. My face was black and blue for a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    I think there were bayonets in the early days of the IDF and they were provided to the soldiers with the Uzis.
    Bayonets were certainly used during the War of Independence.

    I actually assumed that the Uzi was the reason (or at lesst one of the reasons) that IDF infantry ceased to use bayonets. Since (in my mind) bayonets and SMGs don't seem to mix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camera View Post
    I think there were bayonets in the early days of the IDF and they were provided to the soldiers with the Uzis.
    A bayonet belongs on something like a K98.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaplanr View Post
    We've sort of had this conversation before, way back when. We actually only got about 30 minutes of krav-maga, and I don't think it was the pressure of deployments or anything like that. The overall impression I felt was that if we let someone get that close to us, then we deserve what we get.

    ... snip ...
    Exactly my recollection too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EITAN88 View Post
    Bayonets were certainly used during the War of Independence.

    I actually assumed that the Uzi was the reason (or at lesst one of the reasons) that IDF infantry ceased to use bayonets. Since (in my mind) bayonets and SMGs don't seem to mix
    I also think the bayonets were phased out from the IDF because they did not mix well with the Uzi.
    But the first UZIs had a lug for a bayonet and were provided to the IDF soldiers with a bayonet, but I ignore what was the extend of them in the army.

    BTW, the bayonet is also useful because it is dissuasive as it is simply frightening. It could be an extra for IDF soldiers positioned at road blocks for example. Anyway, I think the Tavor has no lug for a bayonet.

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