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    More pic's from the same exercise as posted on page two:







































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    NI in Borlänge earlier today:
















    Thanks to "sogseal".

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    Great pix Chef

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swedish Chef

    Thanks... I saw the video of this on some news channel..Hey, the two guys on the left use some other kind of helmet with holes in them... or so it would appear.

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    vad gjorde NI i borlänge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911-a1
    I have heard something about police escorts but i dont think that all deliveries have that kind of police protection.. They dont have any weapons but they should have. I mean, just look what is happening to them
    Security companies don't need nor want guns.
    Security personel can't start an arms race with criminals. They're safer without firearms (exceptions are bodyguards and places like nuclear power plants where there is more at stake than just cash).
    If those Securitas guys would have had guns in Sweden and Britain the criminals wouldn't have bothered getting them out of their way alive before taking the money. They would have shot the car full of little holes or blown them up too before the security guards could wield their weapons. And even if they would have gone out with guns blazing the criminals would still have had the advantage because it's an ambush situation and criminals know exactly what they're facing.
    But now no one was hurt seriously and the police caught the criminals and most of the stolen goods eventually.

    Police escort is very expensive (compared to security guards like me with poor pay) and there is so much valuable stuff moving every day that you can't have cops escorting them all. Think of all the banks and companies moving their money every day. Hundreds of transfers.

    Improved security protocols are the answer to this problem, not guns or police escorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1911-a1
    vad gjorde NI i borlänge?
    I think it was about that 18 year old who barricaded himself inside his house after having been shot in the leg by the police. He threatened to shoot his mother or something like that.

    Btw great pics Chef, thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaapeli
    Improved security protocols are the answer to this problem, not guns or police escorts.
    Just wondering, what's taking so long?

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    Hey ! ... we want some pics of female polices ! : ) ... jejejeje

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaapeli
    Security companies don't need nor want guns.
    Security personel can't start an arms race with criminals.
    That's just old BS doctrine from the 1980's. It's time to get updated. When there armed escorts around christmas there weren't even one single attempt. Go figure why: criminals respect only one thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor
    That's just old BS doctrine from the 1980's. It's time to get updated. When there armed escorts around christmas there weren't even one single attempt. Go figure why: criminals respect only one thing.
    Actually it's the other way around. This is the new way of doing things: a rational way.
    The old 80's - early 90's way was "wildwest" as we like to call it. You see, security guards used to be more heavily armed and laws were vague. It was ridiculous with guards packing revolvers, riot guns and the works going after teenage vandals and shoplifters. And also because security business was/is very poorly paid and the training was/is very lacking (especially the gun training was a bad joke) you had a real timebomb on your hands.
    These swedish Securitas guards have a couple of weeks of training at most and the turnover rate is fast because it really doesn't pay much for the risks involved. Luckily there are now better and more sensible laws concerning security equipment and the required training has improved (but only slighty).

    It simply doesn't fit in private security business' job description to have gunbattles with criminals. That's a job for the police who have years of training, experience and laws that give them the necessary rights and duty to do so. Security professionals will tell you this too; the consensus has been that no one wants more guns, least the guards themselves. This is modern security thinking and it emphasizes safety and more brains less brawn. There are better ways of handling this than arming everyone and raising risks for unnecessary casualties.

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    Here are a few more (some of which have been seen before), too bad most of them are ridiculously small.


    NI searching for the prisoners who escaped from one of Sweden's "maximum security" prisons last year. They ended up catching all 4.












    Piketen from the same operation:






    Some unrelated pics from other operations:











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    Btw, are there any pics of the NI assault on [SIZE=-1]Schillerska during the riots? I've only been able to find a black and white one which shows a policeman with some kids face down on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaapeli
    Actually it's the other way around. This is the new way of doing things: a rational way.
    The old 80's - early 90's way was "wildwest" as we like to call it.
    Not around here, it has been the complete opposite. The old totally passive tactics from the 80's and 90's (and beyond) is being abandoned in more and more places and more "civila skyddsvakter" than ever is in service. It's not always a wish but a necessity. This is the natural response to a violent society and also due to the fact that security companies are doing more of the old style police work than ever.

    Most of the security guards have piss poor training and lacks motivation to do their job, these are the people that are always looking for the easiest way out. Securitas wouldn't be doing security in Baghdad, and I don't think they should be doing that kind of thing here either with their current level of professionalism.

    Just look at what in England a few days ago.. 50 million pounds lost? Jeez... Good job. Passive security is great but it's only part of the solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor
    Not around here, it has been the complete opposite. The old totally passive tactics from the 80's and 90's (and beyond) is being abandoned in more and more places and more "civila skyddsvakter" than ever is in service. It's not always a wish but a necessity.
    Yes the security business is having a huge lift but that's even more because people are scared more than ever disproportionately to the actual threath.
    There's been good research done on this atmosphere of fear.
    But the laws and procedures regarding security work have been revised and the actions of security guards are being watched more closely than before. This means excess violence that was common before has been mostly rooted out, firearms and some other cowboy stuff put away and enforcing the feeling of security and crime prevention made priorities over rent-a-cop -mentality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thor
    This is the natural response to a violent society and also due to the fact that security companies are doing more of the old style police work than ever.
    Which is ofcourse wrong because security companies aren't meant or trained for that. Just look at the laws: only very slightly extended rights compared to civilians.
    The violence is a problem yes but giving undertrained, underpaid and undermotivated personel guns won't solve that. Even cops are getting more non-lethal stuff and using less and less their guns and their personal security has been improved by what you would call "passive" procedures and equipment.
    If you need more cops then you should get more of them. Not try to make security guards into them.

    [QUOTE=Thor]Most of the security guards have piss poor training and lacks motivation to do their job, these are the people that are always looking for the easiest way out. Securitas wouldn't be doing security in Baghdad, and I don't think they should be doing that kind of thing here either with their current level of professionalism.[QUOTE=Thor]

    Indeed. That is due to laws concerning private security in western countries and their role too. PMC's operating in high risk areas are a different business anyway left for paramilitary security companies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thor
    Just look at what in England a few days ago.. 50 million pounds lost? Jeez... Good job. Passive security is great but it's only part of the solution.
    There's nothing that guns would have helped in that situation. You'd only have dead people and those would propably be the guards and that poor guys family taken hostage.
    And it looks like the security company messed up too somewhat: too much money in one place, insufficient planning and co-operation with the police in a forseeable crisis situation (kidnap and blackmail) and it looks like the money wasn't protected by color pellets or tagged with tracking devices. Next time they will be better prepared and hopefully avoid the next time competely.
    But still the crime has mostly been solved already so we have an eventual success anyway with the least possible casualties.

    People should understand that in security business the safety of the guard comes 99% of times before the safety of the object they're guarding (again not inluding bodyguard work and a couple of others but they're a minority). Guards have no obligation to risk their lives innecessarily unlike cops and soldiers.

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