Reply With QuoteF***ed stupid thing! This cementery had to be a symbol of peace/conciliation (I don`t know which word is better) beetween Germany and Poland but now we have horrible stupid situation.
Poland Probes Burial of German Soldiers
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationwo...orld-headlinesPoland Probes Burial of German Soldiers
By BEATA PASEK
Associated Press Writer
February 3, 2004, 11:22 AM EST
WARSAW, Poland -- Poland is investigating whether former Nazi Auschwitz death camp guards were given honored burials at a World War II cemetery for regular German troops who died in Poland, an officials said Tuesday.
The investigation comes after newspapers reported that the cemetery in the town of Nadolice in southwestern Poland contains the remains of Adolf Hitler's elite SS soldiers, including former Auschwitz guards. Some of their names also are reportedly inscribed in the cemetery's memorial wall.
The common grave containing 11,000 soldiers buried there is otherwise unmarked.
"We will check those allegations," said Andrzej Przewoznik, the head of a Polish government agency that oversees war memorials. "If they're true, we will ask the German side to eliminate those names from the memorial wall."
Przewoznik said it was possible that the former Auschwitz guards had joined German units on the eastern front and were buried in the cemetery as regular soldiers.
Germany invaded Poland in 1939, setting off World War II. By the end of the war in 1945, some 850,000 German soldiers died on Polish soil. Poland was also the site of Auschwitz, one of the most notorious Nazi death camps, where more than 1 million Jews were murdered in the Nazi Holocaust of 6 million Jews.
Nadolice is one of 10 cemeteries established after 1991 for German soldiers in Poland. The Germany-based Commemoration and Peace Foundation cares for the site.
Fritz Kirchmeier, a spokesman for the foundation, said it would be very unlikely for such a cemetery not to include some SS soldiers.
"It doesn't automatically mean they were war criminals," Kirchmeier said. "If we build a cemetery, we don't automatically decide if someone was good or evil. The visitor must decide that."
The cemeteries were not intended to memorialize German soldiers, rather to give them a proper burial site, he said. "All of the dead have a right to a grave, that's our opinion," Kirchmeier said.
The SS, short for Schutzstaffel, was the dreaded paramilitary unit of the Nazi party. It was used as a special police and involved in some of the worst crimes committed in territory under Nazi control during World War II.
Better equipped than regular army troops, the Waffen-SS, the fighting branch of the organization, was used notably to secure Nazi-occupied areas and to combat partisans or other opposition forces. They also fought on the front lines next to regular army troops.
The presence of Waffen-SS members at a German military cemetery visited by former President Ronald Reagan was the source of an uproar in 1985.
Jewish groups, U.S. congressmen and veterans' groups assailed Reagan for the visit, which German Chancellor Helmut Kohl had included on the presidential itinerary in an effort to mark U.S.-German reconciliation 40 years after the end of the war.
F***ed stupid thing! This cementery had to be a symbol of peace/conciliation (I don`t know which word is better) beetween Germany and Poland but now we have horrible stupid situation.
I can understand resentment against the SS, but these men are dead. Sometimes the less said about the dead, the better. Why reopen old wounds ?
Probably you will never understand it. It can be understand only by people who live in coutries which were under german occupation. I think, that every polish family has one ore more members murdered by germans. In every polish city there are places where poles were killed - walls with bullet holes, sometimes you can still see brown stains on wall or pavements (if it was made by materials which can hold blood) - few years ago I saw blood stain in one building in Warsaw - on the floor (it was impossible to remove it). It was blood of polish soldier killed during Warsaw Uprising. So for polish people it is impossible to forget and to be quiet. For many people these wounds will be always openOriginally Posted by oldsoak
well this article didn't mention any Jewish pressure to get this figured out. I mean Im sure the Jewish peopel in Poland and else where would like to have this cleared up, but that is just my opinion.
does it matter if they were SS ,Heer or what ever they are still dead and it is not up to us to judge them there is a higher authority that does that.
We can only record for future generations what has happened and that does mean thease units dead being recorded. Because if they aren't recorded they will be forgoten and the crimes comitted will mean nothing because they will be out of context. And apologists can claim that the Holocaust is fantasy because there is no record of the units that carried it out.
fair one.
@LeMat
I can understand what alot of people still feel about the Germans. Most Germans, and for sure all sensible Germans, know what we did in these 12 years to the world, and ourselves.
I think it is a great thing for your people, and every other people, too, to accept tht not even every SS man, and surely not every German was a criminal, or worse. My grand-grandfather for example for example was imprisoned merely 3 weeks after the Nazis seized power. His crime: He was member of the catholic party "Zentrum". By then it was not illegal, since parties were not yet banned per sè, but nonetheless he was not allowed to work for the rest of the Nazi-time. Hard time if you have to feed a family...
In accepting these dead as what they are, dead man of Europe's savage history, the Polish show greatness and more empathy, than a lot of nations that suffered under the Germans, or any other occupation.
If I were you, don't see it as an error of your responsible people, but as a merit of your nation.
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Ik wil m'n fiets terug!
No prob? You still want that rust old thing??
I got a new one, with a Shimano gear, from or Japanese allies
BTW why ride a bike if you can harrass my country in a camper???
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The concentration camp guards are not different from animals and they should get the treatment of animals after their demise. I think it's been a waste of space to bury them amongst humans, just putting them next to the pet dog in the backyard would be sufficient. They need no grave stones either, after all they have left humanity through their sick crimes. The best place for their ashes would have been carbage dumps.
Only kidding, you can give me the new Japanese one... :PNo prob? You still want that rust old thing??
I got a new one, with a Shimano gear, from or Japanese allies
BTW why ride a bike if you can harrass my country in a camper???
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BTW you're right, I'm guilty of harrassing your country with a caravan... but I always take a bike with me. Even though they're not as usefull as in our flatlands, especially in hilly Schwabenland, they're still better than walking.
But now The Republik Strikes Back! My family got a small vaccation house in Nord Holland, on a campingplace...
Harharhar
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Aaargh, the second invasion! Why don't you go play in France damnit...
simple: France is more distant and I`can speak Dutch better than French.
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