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    For Sale: Albania's Air Force

    That's quite a record..

    By Benet Koleka Tue Nov 1,11:44 AM ET


    TIRANA (Reuters) - Albania's antiquated air force of Soviet-designed MiG aircraft, which killed 35 Albanian pilots but no enemies, is finally on its way to the museum and the scrapheap, the armed forces chief said on Tuesday.

    If anyone wants to buy them, they are welcome," General Pellumb Qazimi told Reuters. Some potential Western buyers "wanted to turn them into bars," he said.

    For the Albanian military, the general said, the future lies in a fleet of modern multi-role helicopters able to "interact with the planes of the ( NATO) alliance we want to join."

    A satellite of Soviet Union and China during the first decades of the Cold War, the Stalinist regime of Enver Hoxha was given a fleet that grew to 125 MiGs to repel what Qazimi called "a classic total aggression" from the West.

    The first MiG-15 squadron arrived from the Soviet Union in 1951 and it had seen action in Korea, said Perikli Teta, Albania's air force engineer-in-chief for 17 years.

    "You could still see where the bullet holes had been repaired," Teta told Reuters. The 15s were followed in the 1970s and 1980s by scores of MiG-17s, or Frescoes in NATO parlance, and MiG-19s, known to the alliance as Farmers.

    All have the stubby swept-back wings, cigar shaped fuselage and nose intake of the iconic communist Cold War interceptor.

    Albanian pilots were praised in the government-controlled press but had little glory to their credit other than flying low down Tirana's main boulevard, rattling windowpanes and startling citizens with their supersonic booms.

    Qazimi said the planes were simply a deterrent, "a show of force" in a region bristling with arms. On one occasion they forced a landing by a retired U.S. airman who had lost direction on his way to a holiday in Rome.
    Teta said MiG flights were curtailed after the fall of communism in 1991, because Albania, Europe's poorest country at that time, could not afford 1,000 litres of fuel per flight.

    At the dawn of democracy, some sat forlorn under tattered canvas covers at Tirana's Rinas airport, their wheels deep in mud and their rusty wings tilted.

    Qazimi some would be going to museums, a few would be kept for instruction and others sold for scrap. None would be sold for military purposes.

    The Chinese-built versions were dangerous, Teta said.
    "I think it was always the aircraft that was to blame (for the fatal accidents)," he said. "One accident last year was exactly the same as one that happened 20 years ago."

    With the MiGs out of the sky, Teta now worries about Albania's creaking helicopters of Soviet make. "Whenever I hear their engine, I follow it until it lands," he said.

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    They won't have any problem selling them in the West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuterium
    They won't have any problem selling them in the West.
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    Poland sold quite a lot of old military airplanes after 1989

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    Finally!

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    Ah, the yin and yang of modern fighter aircraft, the Israelis have managed a undefined ratio of kills to losses (math term for lots of kills over a goose egg in losses), whereas poor Albania has managed a zero.

    I've seen some of the liscence built MiG 17's from China, I'd rather get in a dogfight with an A-10. Those things looked a tad scary, especially if you're having to fly them on a bare-bones inadequate maintenance budget. Eek!

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    Oh crap! Did I just buy a NORINCO built Farmer? Noooooooo…

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    That article is a pile of crap. To begin with...35 if the number of pilots and technicians killed to all reasons...since 1949!! and it includes helicopter pilots, prop-plane pilots, and at least 3 pilots not even killed on Albanian planes but while in training in Russia or other countries.

    Overall only 6-7 MiGs of all types have crashed in total in Albania...so if you want to talk record...this is the record for the LOWEST loos ratio. Compare that to Italy's F-104 fleet with its 33% loss ratio while our Migs suffered about 5%.

    And as for poor Albania having no air-air victories...we have 7 as a matter of fact and no losses. All are planes intercepted and forced down and captured...and include a T-33, a Globemaster transporter, 2 Italian fighters in the 60s, a Yugoslav fighter in the mid 80s, a Cessna-type in the late 80s and one other aircraft I have no details of. 2 more aircarft have been shot down by air-defenses.

    Its kind of ridiculous to compare Israel with its perpetual state of war with Albania which has never been in a war.

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    Overall only 6-7 MiGs of all types have crashed in total in Albania...so if you want to talk record...this is the record for the LOWEST loos ratio. Compare that to Italy's F-104 fleet with its 33% loss ratio while our Migs suffered about 5%.
    Well duh cause they only flew like once a year since Albania never had any fuel for them.

    Albanian AF = worst AF in Europe by far, it was in the 50s and in the 70s and in the 90s and it is today.

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    I wonder how much I can get a Mig-15 or 17 for? Anyone...

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    4nzix looking for a flamewar?


    this guys had some hilariuos comments'''


    "The Chinese-built versions were dangerous, Teta said."


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    With the MiGs out of the sky, Teta now worries about Albania's creaking helicopters of Soviet make. "Whenever I hear their engine, I follow it until it lands," he said"

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    hmm albanian aircraft are having reliability problems? Thats what happens when all your aircraft are stolen.





















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    bwhahahahahhahahahah

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    [QUOTE]Well duh cause they only flew like once a year since Albania never had any fuel for them. QUOTE]

    And you know this as the expert on Albania's AF that you are?? We got as much flight time if not more than any other East European country. Minimum was 50 hours...

    Albanian AF = worst AF in Europe by far, it was in the 50s and in the 70s and in the 90s and it is today.
    Really?? And how do you know this?? In the 50s we were the ONLY country in the Balkans and most of Europe for that matter to have radar-equipped fighters with guided AAMs...MiG-19PMs...Italy could only dream of such things at the time. 60s and 70s we had an airforce equal to any of our neighbours. Want to ask the Italian pilots about it??...whey they didn't dare approach too close to Albania becasue every time they did..they'd have some MiGs on their tails. Want to ask the Italians about it how a lone MiG-15Bis managed to cross the Adriatic undetected and appear over one of their bases...and by the time their F-104s went up to intercept the MiG was already over the base? Or ask Yugoslav pilots about our encounters...they won't tell you much though...but sufficient to say they lost one of their planes to us and we lost none.

    I'm not saying we were great...but up until a certain point we were more than our neighbours equals.


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    Dude shut up you idiot...........dont you see that almost every joke around here has "Albanian" in it????!!!??

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