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U zemlju ukopan T 55 preko kojega prelazi legendarni automobil čija je snimka obišla svijet, bit će postavljen 27. lipnja na raskrižju Vukovarske i Trpimirove ulice
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Some bad news for HS Produkt, Marko Vuković and Ivan Žabčić were arrested for corruption regarding the order for 210 fire engines back in 2003. I hope this doesn't slow down development of VHS.
U zemlju ukopan T 55 preko kojega prelazi legendarni automobil čija je snimka obišla svijet, bit će postavljen 27. lipnja na raskrižju Vukovarske i Trpimirove ulice
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U zemlju ukopan T 55 preko kojega prelazi legendarni automobil čija je snimka obišla svijet, bit će postavljen 27. lipnja na raskrižju Vukovarske i Trpimirove ulice
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waPKq...520FDD56C48BD0
Something more cherefull for this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVAmj...48BD0&index=24
Last edited by SATNIK; 04-08-2011 at 05:58 PM.
Nice video , but how someone can choose music like this for such a video ? jesus...some people are just weird.
Back to reality: there was no concrete possibilities that Serbian got that job in terms they have described.
I would have said good news, but in every case it would have been better to have a part of it all together, than a complete nothing separately .
Yea but only if we take the main rule in this job and if they money will be divided equally, then okay
No matter how whole this story about modernization of Kuwait's M-84 tanks ends, I just hope Croatia will no go in any kind of cooperation with Serbia and their SDPR if they will play the main role in this job and Croatia would be just a producer the same as Slovenia. I think many of you my friends history learned why we shouldn't go into this job if they take the main rule in this modernization. I hope times when our workers and our companies worked and in the same time others were taking the biggest percent of the money are finished forever, especially when we talk about Serbia.
Unfortunately, everyone in any postion of responsibilty in Croatia want cooperation with Serbia at any cost. We know that both this sad excuse for a government and the next yugo government want only to hear eu say atta-boy for "putting past behind us and cooperating with our "brothers"". A new yugosphere is eu's goal, that much is obvious. I would joke that we'll soon seeing little red stars instead of the red squares on our coat of arms, but that seems too much like tempting fate. When an offer for free state of the art fighters in exchange for flying a little in our airspace is turned down, you know what's coming.
Personally, I can't help remembering that grounds for Homeland war were prepared by disarming Croatia's territorial defense. Dismantling and marginalizing OS RH in the last few years looks earily familiar, except our politicians are doing it this time around.
I think some of you guys are imagining more into this than there really is. If Yugoimport gets the job, why should they have to share the money "equally" with anyone? They could, if they need something from them, employ Croatian or Slovenian (more likely) companies as suppliers or subcontractors if the companies want to earn money. It's simply business. They would be payed for their work and that's all there is to it. I don't think anyone besides people with special feelings sees (or better: should see) anything else in it. You want the job, nice, you don't? There's others who do.
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I doubt there's even anything unique a Croatian company offers that they would need for the overhaul or the modernization that they don't have themselves or can't source from somewhere else, especially since most of the companies that produced parts for it probably don't even exist anymore. Despite what a lot of people like to imagine, the tanks were not produced in Croatia, the final assembly was just done there from parts made all over the former country. Since this is about the overhaul (or modernization) of existing tanks, that can be done where they are overhauling Serbias own tanks. So I don't see why they would need Duro Dakovic, since it has no special or unique capability required for that job.
Duh the blue prints are in djuro djakovicAnd serbia does not have a proper assembly plant similar to Duro. FYI serbia has only one prototype. The companies actually do exist Travnik, Fotona etc..
Let stick on a point: no offer has ever been made by yugoimport to share work with Đuro Đakovic or others in order to modernize Kuwaiti tanks.
This information came from Đ.Đ itself and it is final about all the media speculation published in serbian (generalistic) press.
Serbia has the capablities to modernize its own existing tank? Probably yes.
Has the capablities to built it anew? Actually not, almost not in the original version: the proposed serbian M2001 tank has infact structural parts of Russian manifacture and would probably need building a new assembly line.
Now the correct question would be: kuwaiti tank can be modernized only by substituing older components or would needs a throught overhaul?
In this latter case an assembly line is required and not a generic one but the same that was used to built it or one identical plus blueprints, so the news poured out have its logical explanation.
That would not means obviously anything, simply it is impossibe that a nation that has instead the capacity of building a complete tank would give up that precious asset at some other's sake.
So two possible explanations: Serbian press was telling lies or more maliciously yugoimport would sign in behalf of Đ.Đ. because , as always when operating in those markets you have to pay a "mediation fee" to someone, something that USKOK has that bloody habit to keep to call with his proper name.
a) Not "the" as that implies that the only assembly blueprints are at DD. Serbia has the blueprints as well. Or how do you think they are overhauling their own tanks? By guessing what goes where? Don't forget where it was developed, of course they have the blueprints. Assembly =/= development.Duh the blue prints are in djuro djakovic
b) The tank already exists, it isn't being built from scratch.
That's obviously a myth among Croatian internet forumers. They have a plant where they overhaul and could upgrade their own tanks, so if they can do everything on their own for their own tanks, I don't see what's supposed to be so special about Duro Dakovic. The whole "only DD has the capability to take off a turret and to re-assemble the tank!" is a myth. It's just where it was assembled, there's nothing special about it. Do you seriously think that anyone cares to know who one of the subcontractors of the Abrams or Leopard is or at which exact plant it is assembled? Do you think that they couldn't in 20 years equip another plant to dis- and re-assemble it? There's footage of M-84s being overhauled in Serbia, so obviously they have a plant that is capable to do it. They have as many M-84s as Croatia and Kuvait combined, so it would only be logical to strenghten and expand their own capabilities and capacities to be able to modernize their own tanks after they're done with the Kuvaiti ones. Why would they pay DD and strenghten another nation's industry and capabilities instead of their own, especially when they have the chance?And serbia does not have a proper assembly plant similar to Duro.
Of what? A modernized M-84? Of course, it's a demonstrator. That's the whole point, I don't see what they would need 20 for when they haven't sold it, yet.FYI serbia has only one prototype.
Fotona is in Slovenia, Travnik is in Bosnia. What does the Croatian industry have to bring to the table?The companies actually do exist Travnik, Fotona etc..
Well, about 40 totally new built M84A4 Sniper and the overhaul of all its legacy M-84A and AB to same standard plus 5 to M-84D plus 2 M-95 Degman.
And both Fotona than Travnik had a 'part in developing M-84D variant, fact is that they haven't had any in that of the lone M-84AS actually presented, that has russian parts instead and so my conclusion is:why in the Hell Serbian press , not Ivi or any other forumists has called them to be involved in the deal?
Said that I would in every case have preferred that a deal, any deal was to be signed and I regret that all proved to be a media hoax.
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